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Should forum Thanked be removed?

Yes - Remove Thanked
6 (33.3%)
No - Keep Thanked
12 (66.7%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: November 14, 2010, 11:19:52 PM

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Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« on: October 16, 2010, 12:19:52 AM »
It has been brought up in another thread that some users would like to have the "Thanked" (Karma) count shown in the left column of each post to be removed from the forums. I can change this, however, I would like each of you to put in a vote whether you would like to have this removed or to keep it enabled on the forum. You're also more than welcome to express your thoughts about this potential change or submit new ideas about the Karma system.

If removed, this would not reset the thanked count. However, the total thanked count would be hidden everywhere on the forum, the "Thanked xxxx" links on the posts would be removed, and the new helper icon ribbon for 50+ thanked would be removed as well.

As most of you know I try to keep this forum community driven and feel this is the best method of understanding what the overall community wants, since everyone has his or her own opinion on how they would like things.

Guests will not be allowed to vote on this poll, the votes can be changed, and we this poll will run for 30 days.

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2010, 01:24:08 AM »
lol @ the votes can be changed.  ;D
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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2010, 03:08:14 AM »
Appreciate the helpful input.

The Thanked system measures activity more than helpfulness, in my opinion.

I have no preference either way.

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2010, 08:29:47 AM »
like carbon i have no preference , but i feel it might help new comers to see how many times someone has posted and been thanked when looking for advice

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2010, 09:06:09 AM »
When I ask and I receive an answer. I thank answerer in reply
 and Because there are members have a lot of posts . And the number of thanks. Relatively few
I see no need
« Last Edit: October 16, 2010, 09:25:53 AM by moro »

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 10:12:48 AM »
Dump It! Dump It Now!! Dump It Forever!!! 

After reading some of the posts in this thread and others, it seems not even the CH membership can agree on what this number represents or why it is helpful.
 
... but i feel it might help new comers to see how many times someone has posted and been thanked when looking for advice

The OP cannot choose who responds to their treads. The "Thanks" count seems more useful to members for bragging rights and nothing more.

Why not replace the "Thanks" count with something innocuous like "Member since: mm/dd/yyyy" or even leave it as empty space?

 8)
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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2010, 11:34:25 AM »
Or even have it only display if you click the user's profile.

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2010, 12:27:23 PM »
Compromise

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2010, 12:32:40 PM »
As I said in the other thread:

"The Thanks feature is meaningless in this forum because it does not show who left the Thanks and in what topics.  I'd like to see it either discontinued or changed to show who left Thanks."

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 03:14:22 PM »
I think the combination of the number of posts and thanked is a good indicator of how good the posters advice is.

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2010, 03:19:19 PM »
I think the combination of the number of posts and thanked is a good indicator of how good the posters advice is.
I tend to agree. Clearly it's not always perfect (as with long time members), but in general it's a reasonable indicator.

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2010, 04:07:23 PM »
Again, not seeing where the Thanks come from is a major shortcoming, IMO.  Allan currently a count of 598.  That's very good but I'd just like to see from where the Thanks came, and I mean for all members, of course.  Exactly what posts did someone value enough to post a Thanks? 

I believe showing who left Thanks would also show that leaving Thanks is a very subjective matter.  And, some people just don't give the leaving of Thanks a thought while someone else may almost routinely leave Thanks.  Without being able to see such details, the count is much less meaningful and useful than it would be if the details were revealed.  Will I get Thanks for http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,111371.0.html?  Probably not since the member is new and may not even be aware of the Thanks feature yet.  But, if the question had been posted by someone who is aware of the Thanks feature and that person is someone who would normally be inclined to use the it, then it might very well receive a Thanks.  So, again, without the source of Thanks not being revealed, making any sense of it is somewhat akin to floundering around in the darkness.

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2010, 04:35:26 PM »
I would like to see where my "thanks" came from but it's more from curiosity than anything else.  There is no way I'm going to spend the time to research where other members thanks came from.

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2010, 04:53:56 PM »
There is no way I'm going to spend the time to research where other members thanks came from.
Me, either, but the info can be seen when reading discussion threads.

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2010, 12:04:56 AM »
I see nothing wrong with keeping it, but it doesn't necessarily have to be displayed where it is. This whole "thanks" thing kind of goes back to the conversation we had before about the helper ribbon, which I still think is a good idea, even if you scrap the "thanks" option.

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2010, 08:48:25 AM »
Again, not seeing where the Thanks come from is a major shortcoming, IMO.

Personally, I don't see it.

Why is it important to know where thanks are coming from? What relevance does it have at all? On one vBulletin forum I was a frequent visitor too there was a mechanism whereby the bottom of a post showed all the users who thanked the poster for that post; I found that annoying, to be honest. Basically, it transforms thanks into a voting system for each post where people can either choose to vote for the post (and it's poster) or not vote at all. If you are a helper on the forum, thanks, and post count, quickly becomes largely irrelevant, regardless of wether who thanked who is displayed, and at that point it becomes additional clutter.


EDIT: also, if people can see who thanked them, they will also see when they weren't thanked, and some people might take the initiative to fish for "votes"- "I noticed you didn't thank me, if I helped you, please do" type stuff.
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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2010, 09:10:16 AM »
What I didn't want to do was get into a debate - and I'm sure that isn't the intent of the thread. Still, I'd like to further explain why I like the idea of a quantified measure of helpfulness if I may - without suggesting that everyone's points aren't equally valid.

Quite simply, it helps the poster determine whose input has been deemed reliable and helpful in the past. The fact is that there are a lot of people on all help forums who have been long time members but who are not strong technically. Unfortunately, in some cases that does not stop them from offering technical advice - and sometimes that advice can be harmful if followed. And of course many posters looking for help are NOT technical and will take advice from whomever offers it. If they can see that a large number of prior posters have found someone's input helpful and reliable in the past, why isn't that something that should be taken into account? I'm not suggesting that these numbers in any way mean someone is "better" than someone else, only that their input has been dependable over a period of time. Nor does it mean that the advice from someone with few "thanks" will be wrong and the advice from someone with a lot will be right - it's merely an indicator of historical performance - but an indicator that can be taken into account when evaluating whether or not to follow posted advice.

Okay, I'm done ;D
« Last Edit: October 19, 2010, 06:03:04 AM by Allan »

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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2010, 10:07:43 PM »
 I'm new here (and to the pc and prog world) as you can tell. And I'm not going to vote for that reason. But if i may, since basically it's me and those like me that I think you're mostly  referring to.
At first I either didn't see the "Thanked" option or was more interested in posts>then title, to give it any attention.  I looked at the # of posts to tell me how many times someones been around the block, however it can be misleading because high experience could have just joined or not be very active, then i considered their title, which I now know everyone in that post bracket has. If there were a "joined" or "since" (not sense ha ha!) date it could be more helpful to members in showing the -time vs activity- involvement in helping others with their knowledge and experiences, and of keeping the site healthy.
it helps the poster determine whose input has been deemed reliable and helpful in the past. If they can see that a large number of prior posters have found someones input helpful and reliable in the past, why isn't that something that should be taken into account? I'm not suggesting that these numbers in any way mean someone is "better" than someone else, only that their input has been dependable over a period of time. Nor does it mean that the advice from someone with few "thanks" will be wrong and the advice from someone with a lot will be right - it's merely an indicator of historical performance - but an indicator that can be taken into account when evaluating whether or not to follow posted advice.
I'm hoping I'm not so abnormal that I would be so different from others. Because I don't consider a thank you as necessarily being reliable, helpful yes. And so far I've only seen only low thanks %-ages. Look! 9,300 posts but only 600 times helpful or reliable? Input dependable or dependable input? I don't think a thanked count should be used a an indicator.
Here's why:
 It was only after some replies to my 1st and only post that I recognized there was a thanked. My thought was it was merely a way of thanking someone for replying to my post, which i did, even tho I may not have liked the reply or felt it did nothing to help resolve my questions or issue. I was thankfull that someone took the time to read and reply. Because after all, this is what's important, people getting involved and at least trying to help others, even if it's unsuccessful but not harmful. So why not thank anyone that replies, and Authors for that matter, for at least being here, and taking part?  With the current option there's no way of saying how thankfull you are, what you're thanking for, or if you're participation actually helped the solving of the thread.  Even if there was a way to only acknowledge someone if they had a direct bearing on a resolve, imo it would fall short in the results because the Author would in most cases have to come back to acknowledge the positive. Only after reading this thread did I realize the importance of the effect the + feedback  may have on the unknowing.
  A Genius with 13,000 posts but is only thanked 500'n sumpthin times? A mastermind with 16,000 posts and thanked 140sumpthin times? I don't believe the "thanked" option is really working as intended.
My feeble opinion - Posts/Joined/Title 
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Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2010, 03:55:25 PM »
It has been 30 days and thank you everyone who has participated in this poll. As can be seen by the results the majority seem to be in favor of keeping the thanked count, however, for those who don't like it maybe we can come up with some sort of compromise that everyone would like.

"The Thanks feature is meaningless in this forum because it does not show who left the Thanks and in what topics.  I'd like to see it either discontinued or changed to show who left Thanks."

There are some thanked / karma mods out there that can show who has given the thanks, allow comments on the thanks, etc.. However, the problem with this approach I would imagine is that all current thanks would be lost, which I'm sure would upset some users. However, it is something we can think about. Also, I would imagine with most people who are against the thanked system that implementing a new system wouldn't change how they feel about it.

I'll leave this thread sticky for a bit longer to allow any further discussions, compromises, or any other thoughts be discussed.

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    Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
    « Reply #19 on: December 01, 2010, 10:32:34 AM »
    I am also new here so I will not vote.  But I ususally like to see it when I am participating in a forum.

    Thanks for giving us the vote.

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    Re: Poll: Remove the forum Thanked (Karma)?
    « Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 11:55:39 AM »
    Quite simply, it helps the poster determine whose input has been deemed reliable and helpful in the past. The fact is that there are a lot of people on all help forums who have been long time members but who are not strong technically. Unfortunately, in some cases that does not stop them from offering technical advice - and sometimes that advice can be harmful if followed. And of course many posters looking for help are NOT technical and will take advice from whomever offers it. If they can see that a large number of prior posters have found someone's input helpful and reliable in the past, why isn't that something that should be taken into account? I'm not suggesting that these numbers in any way mean someone is "better" than someone else, only that their input has been dependable over a period of time. Nor does it mean that the advice from someone with few "thanks" will be wrong and the advice from someone with a lot will be right - it's merely an indicator of historical performance - but an indicator that can be taken into account when evaluating whether or not to follow posted advice.

    Okay, I'm done ;D
    I can't help but agree with Allan. This poll has been out there for some time now and the majority have voted to keep the thank count.
    Okay, I'm done too. ;D