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Wyngs

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    No FTP
    « on: April 17, 2011, 07:21:14 PM »
    I'm connecting with my server in that password is approved etc., (WS-FTP) but when it comes to LIST for the directories at my server it fails. Also, I cannot connect to a couple of 3-D chat sites that apparently rely on FTP, so it appears to be a general incoming failure and not my WS-FTP.

    I ran a diagnostics which said my firewall was likely the reason for failure of the FTP test, but turning off the firewall did not correct the problem.

    Anyone have a quick and dirty answer?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: No FTP
    « Reply #1 on: April 17, 2011, 07:55:11 PM »
    Please do not type in bold.
    Are you experienced with FTP clients? I just had to ask.
    WS-FTP is a good workhorse. If you five things right, it works.
    1.) An internet connection that allows FTP. Contact your provider.
    2.) The correct address for FTP
        rihgt : ftp.geek9pm.com
        wrong: wvw.geek9pm.com
    3.) The exact user name. Close does not do it.
    4.) The absolute exact password.
    5. )Avoid the habit of double clicking on things when not  needed.

    The last item above can really mess up the FTP client.

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      Re: No FTP
      « Reply #2 on: April 17, 2011, 08:40:46 PM »
      I've used WSFTP for many years (grin). All appears to be in order there, and some sites I don't use that program at will no longer load. So far just two 3-D chats which I assume must FTP their data out - but I don't know that. The problem seems to be inbound FTP.

      No bold? Curious about the reason for that? I find it much easier to read, but when in Rome will do what the Romans ask (smiles).


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        Re: No FTP
        « Reply #3 on: April 17, 2011, 08:42:55 PM »
        My gut feeling here is something is corrupted or I did something to stop the inputs. Note I am connecting with my server. It's when it goes to send my directory listings back that it fails.

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          Re: No FTP
          « Reply #4 on: April 17, 2011, 08:52:51 PM »
          I neglected to state that the problem exists with ALL my FTP addresses in WSFTP. Failure of the my server-side directories to LIST.

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          Re: No FTP
          « Reply #5 on: April 17, 2011, 09:14:56 PM »
          OK. Gotcha. Here are my stock answer for this kind of problem.
          1.) Try another user account on your machine.
          2. ) try another FTP client
          3. )Ask a neighbor to let you use his provider for awhile.

          And here is my favorite. Boot up a Linux Live CD. This is a neat quick way to find out there is some kind of strange problem. If Linux can and windows can't, then windows is broke. I am amazed at how the new Linux distros can start in demo mode and get into the internet with no hassle.

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            Re: No FTP
            « Reply #6 on: April 17, 2011, 09:36:09 PM »
            Okay, I did the next best thing. I got my laptop out of moth balls. (grin) Same problem on it. Conclusion, Hughes Net is screwing up or I screwed up something with them. In any case, it isn't just this machine. Headed for the Hughes Net forum.

            Many thanks for the help.

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              Re: No FTP
              « Reply #7 on: April 19, 2011, 12:36:16 AM »
              Hughes not replying to my ticket and no help on the forum there:(

              Here's the relevant lines from WS-FTP attempts:

              200 PORT command successful
              LIST
              425 Unable to build data connection: Connection refused.
              !DodDirList failed 0

              Does that give anyone a clue as to why I'm not getting incoming FTP?

              Thanks in advance for any help.




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              Re: No FTP
              « Reply #8 on: April 19, 2011, 06:24:41 AM »
              This may be of some help. It is not a direct answer.
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              Why is the latency so high?
              The way a satellite stays in orbit, without using any type of engine or rocket to correct its orbit, is to gain a balance between gravity and centrifugal force. The closer to earth, the greater the gravity pulling the bird toward earth. The faster it moves, the greater the force pulling it away from the earth. It turns out that there is a spot, about 22,300 miles above the equator, where the speed an object must travel to gain equilibrium against gravity is exactly the same as the speed the earth is turning. By placing a satellite in this spot, its relative position above the earth stays constant. Satellites used for broadband internet and TV must stay in one place in the sky so that you can point your dish in one spot and get the signal. The only other alternative would be to have a constellation of satellites in a lower orbit, that would rise and fall like the sun and stars. There would need to be enough of these flying that there was always one overhead, which requires a lot of satellites, a lot of infrastructure ,and therefore a lot of money.

              In the case of a two-way satellite system, when you request something by clicking on a link, or any other way, that message travels 44,600 miles just to get to the NOC. The stuff coming back to you must travel the reverse route, so the round trip is 89,200 miles. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second in a VACUUM,slower through the atmosphere. But even if you assumed 186,000 mps then the total time taken in space travel is about 480ms. Given the atmosphere problem, it is actually more like 500ms. Add to that the terrestrial internet latency, which should be about 100ms. Also you can add delays through transponders, gateways, proxies, etc.
              Software and protocols can reduce the effect of latency for certain applications, but they can't change the physics...the latency remains. For instance, by increasing the number of simultaneous TCP connections, web pages can load faster after they get started, but they will always take the same amount of time to get started. Better yet, by replacing the protocol between the NOC and the user from TCP/IP - which doesn't handle high latency well at all - to another protocol designed for long fat pipes, even more could be done to reduce the effects of high latency. No doubt, that is the future of these systems. But still, there will be a delay of somewhere around 625+ms between any interactive activities. The latency of one-way systems is obviously less, with the space travel being cut in half.
              I do not presume to know what your level of understanding of  far satellite elite communication. I did just a title of it years ago. IMO, Hugues is not giving you a  snow job. Latency matters.
              In other words, some rules that apply to terrestrial communication do not work in satellite communication. And as better technical adjustments are made to the system, a specific issue may become worse, not better. For help with this, you need to get into the Hugues forum and find somebody thee that can help you.
              You have to use a FTP client the has been optimized for satellite unlink. Or don't use FTP for transferring files.

              How can I say this? Download via satellite is wonderful. The upload is a monster challenge to communications engineers.

              Others have reported this kind of issue with satellite services.
              http://cowboyfrank.net/webcams/direcway.htm
              Just one of many such. Still, many commercial users firm that satellite is the best possible solution to their communication needs. That is also my general observation.
              In a nutshell, stop using older FTP clients.
              To see for yourself, Google: satellite FTP issues
              Here is just one of many.
              http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1595914
              Despite the issue, there are solutions. If this is for personal use, you will not like the answers. Commercial users will accept the huger cost of doing uploads  visa satellite, or consider a hybrid solution. (A special DSL for uploads only.)
              I do hope this is of some help to you.

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              Re: No FTP
              « Reply #9 on: April 19, 2011, 12:13:43 PM »
              Give FileZilla a try.....it works good and is free.

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                Re: No FTP
                « Reply #10 on: April 19, 2011, 12:41:05 PM »
                other than being a security nightmare, dropbox isn't bad either.

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                  Re: No FTP
                  « Reply #11 on: April 19, 2011, 07:29:55 PM »
                  My face is sooooooooo red. After the better part of a week or more with no incoming FTP, no answers here, no answers at the Hughes forum, and a hughes rep who couldn't seem to understand the problem, I, as a last resort - which should have been my first resort, got down and unplugged the MODEM for a minute. (Blush). Problem solved. Geeze.... I feel like a complete dolt - maybe I am one.

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                    Re: No FTP
                    « Reply #12 on: April 19, 2011, 07:31:53 PM »
                    My sincere thanks to all who offered suggestions.