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    Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
    « on: February 20, 2007, 05:55:06 AM »
    (AP) -- For three weeks this March and April, Microsoft Corp. warns that users of its calendar programs "should view any appointments ... as suspect until they communicate with all meeting invitees."

    Wow, that's sort of jarring -- is something treacherous afoot?

    Actually, it's a potential problem in any software that was programmed before a 2005 law decreed that daylight-saving time would start three weeks earlier and end one week later, beginning this year. Congress decided that more early evening daylight would translate into energy savings.

    Software created earlier is set to automatically advance its timekeeping by one hour on the first Sunday in April, not the second Sunday in March (that's March 11 this year).

    The result is a glitch reminiscent of the Y2K bug, when cataclysmic crashes were feared if computers interpreted the year 2000 as 1900 and couldn't reconcile time appearing to move backward. This bug is much less threatening, but it could cause head-scratching episodes when some computers are an hour off.

    The problem won't show up only in computers, of course. It will affect plenty of non-networked devices that store the time and automatically adjust for daylight saving, like some digital watches and clocks. But in those instances the result will be a nuisance (adjust the time manually or wait three weeks) rather than something that might throw a wrench in the works.

    Cameron Haight, a Gartner Inc. analyst who has studied the potential effects of the daylight-saving bug, said it might force transactions occurring within one hour of midnight to be recorded on the wrong day. Computers might serve up erroneous information about multinational teleconference times and physical-world appointments.

    "Organizations could face significant losses if they are not prepared," the Information Technology Association of America cautioned this week.

    Dave Thewlis, who directs CalConnect, a consortium that develops technology standards for calendar and scheduling software, said it is hard to know how widespread the problem will be.

    That's because the world is full of computer systems that have particular methods for accounting for time of day. In many, changing the rules around daylight saving is a snap, but in others, it may be more complex.

    "There's no rule that says you have to represent time in a certain way if you write a program," Thewlis said. "How complicated it is to implement the change has to do with the original design, where code is located."

    Further confounding matters, there are lots of old computer programs whose original vendors don't support them anymore, meaning there's no repair available. Some gadgets, such as VCR clocks, may not have any mechanism to update their software.

    Also, the change originated in the United States and is being followed in Canada, but not most other nations. That could befuddle conferencing systems and other applications that run in multiple countries at once.

    In our hyper-networked age with data synchronizing on the fly _ each year, it seems, there are fewer clocks that we have to manually change for daylight-saving time -- it might be hard to imagine that computers' time could fall out of whack. After all, computers seamlessly keep their clocks in line by occasionally checking with "time servers" run by the government and other parties.

    But what those time servers provide is "Universal Time" or Greenwich Mean Time. You tell your computer where in the world it is, and it performs the requisite adjustment to Universal Time. PCs on Eastern Standard Time now are subtracting five hours from Universal Time, but in daylight-saving time they will subtract four.

    A common fix is a "patch" that reprograms systems with the updated start and end dates for daylight-saving time. Some of these updates are targeted at specific systems, while others have wider implications -- such as one from Sun Microsystems Inc. for older versions of the Java Runtime Environment, which often fuels applications on computers and Web pages.

    Microsoft planned to send its daylight-saving patch to Windows PCs with the "automatic update" feature Tuesday. Users with automatic updates turned off should download the patch from Microsoft. (New machines running Windows Vista are immune, since Vista was finalized after the 2005 law passed.)

    However, computers running anything older than the most recent version of Windows XP, known as Service Pack 2, no longer get this level of tech support.

    Owners of those PCs should go into the control panel and unclick the setting that tells the machine to automatically change the clock for daylight-saving time. They have to make the change themselves when the moment arrives. (This is a sizable population; according to Gartner, Windows 2000 alone was still running 14 percent of PCs worldwide last year.)

    For people who store their appointments in Microsoft Outlook or other desktop-based calendar programs -- rather than dynamic, Web-based programs such as Google Calendar -- the situation gets trickier. Patches for calendar programs are available, but appointments entered before a patch was applied might still be registered in standard time rather than daylight time -- off by an hour.

    Microsoft advises heavy calendar users to go online and download a small program known as "tzmove" -- Time Zone Move --

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    Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
    « Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 11:54:58 AM »
    Nice to know that.
    I don't use any calendars though, I'm very disorganized.
    I bet that will be useful to calendar users though, thanks for alerting us all.

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    « Reply #2 on: February 22, 2007, 05:46:41 AM »
    bleh. if the date is off in a PC, then alot of antivirus software will not update, windows will not update, and who knows what else will go crazy.

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    Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
    « Reply #3 on: February 23, 2007, 08:44:04 AM »
    A good point, I didn't think about that.
    However, I use no scheduled things at all, not that I can think of anyway.
    So I'm still OK, lol.

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    Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
    « Reply #4 on: March 05, 2007, 10:10:42 AM »
    Additional information about adjusting and preparing for this issue can also be found on:

    http://www.computerhope.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1173111821
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      Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
      « Reply #5 on: March 05, 2007, 06:12:29 PM »
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      bleh. if the date is off in a PC, then alot of antivirus software will not update, windows will not update, and who knows what else will go crazy.

      How? It would just do it an hour out. Glad I don't live in America (unlike Callum, or just forgot where he lives!), if just for the clock convienience ;D
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      Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
      « Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 08:49:46 AM »
      I'm in the UK, same as you.

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        Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
        « Reply #7 on: March 06, 2007, 05:23:33 PM »
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        I'm in the UK, same as you.

        So you would be "OK" whether you used calender programs or not  :P

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        Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
        « Reply #8 on: March 07, 2007, 08:36:18 AM »
        Would I?
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        Also, the change originated in the United States and is being followed in Canada, but not most other nations. That could befuddle conferencing systems and other applications that run in multiple countries at once.
        So if I had a US program, it would be affected, right?

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        Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
        « Reply #9 on: March 07, 2007, 10:00:34 AM »
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        So if I had a US program, it would be affected, right?
        No. This is simply a time change for the majority of the states in the United States. If you don't live in the United States you should not be affected by this change. The only potential of being affected is if you're using a service in the United States (such as the Computer Hope forums) or run a program that queries servers in the United States and they are not properly updated and encounter issues because of the time change.
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        Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
        « Reply #10 on: March 07, 2007, 10:06:43 AM »
        Oh, I see now.
        So if I had a program that was scheduled to update at a certain time from a US server, it would be out of schedule?
        Or have problems at least?
        But only if there was not a patch/update/whatever applied to it to fix this?
        It doesn't really bother me, just curious.

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        Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
        « Reply #11 on: March 07, 2007, 09:43:57 PM »
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        Actually, it's a potential problem in any software that was programmed before a 2005 law decreed that daylight-saving time would start three weeks earlier and end one week later, beginning this year. Congress decided that more early evening daylight would translate into energy savings.
        Pray tell, how will this change translate into energy savings?

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        Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
        « Reply #12 on: March 08, 2007, 10:14:46 AM »
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        Actually, it's a potential problem in any software that was programmed before a 2005 law decreed that daylight-saving time would start three weeks earlier and end one week later, beginning this year. Congress decided that more early evening daylight would translate into energy savings.
        Pray tell, how will this change translate into energy savings?

        Don't waste any time trying to figure that out...i've been asking that since Day one...

        Politician:If we do this there will be more light in the evening...
        Skeptik: But won't that mean we'll have to turn the lights on earlier in the day when it's still dark ? ?
        Politician: Next question, please ? ?
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        Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
        « Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007, 10:25:38 AM »
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        Actually, it's a potential problem in any software that was programmed before a 2005 law decreed that daylight-saving time would start three weeks earlier and end one week later, beginning this year. Congress decided that more early evening daylight would translate into energy savings.
        Pray tell, how will this change translate into energy savings?

        Don't waste any time trying to figure that out...i've been asking that since Day one...

        Politician:If we do this there will be more light in the evening...
        Skeptik: But won't that mean we'll have to turn the lights on earlier in the day when it's still dark ? ?
        Politician: Next question, please ? ?
        That made me COL.
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        Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
        « Reply #14 on: March 08, 2007, 11:13:34 AM »
        I'm up to 4 COL's this month and it's only the 8TH.....

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        Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
        « Reply #15 on: March 10, 2007, 09:58:51 AM »
        Just now heard on the news that this bug could mess up all the airplane schedules at airports all around the country.
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            Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
            « Reply #17 on: March 11, 2007, 06:54:00 AM »
            Man !!  My puter says  8:52 am but I swear my body is saying 7:52 am, anyone know how [highlight]to fix it[/highlight]?    :D
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            Re: Daylight-saving bug could foil computers
            « Reply #18 on: March 11, 2007, 08:06:50 AM »
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            Man !!  My puter says  8:52 am but I swear my body is saying 7:52 am, anyone know how [highlight]to fix it[/highlight]?    :D

            Your body???????????????

            Just pour in strong coffee and lie to yourself.
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