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Re: Norton Activation?
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2007, 04:33:41 AM »
Do you think that they could just be small, harmless viruses? 

Like the sun is a little hot?

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Re: Norton Activation?
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2007, 04:34:21 AM »
But with all anti-virus programs, there are going to be some viruses they don't detect, but others do, correct? 
This is true, which is why it's always a good idea to have some backup programs.  However, Norton is known for not detecting a fair amount of common infections.  I don't have any documentation, but I know there there was a test performed on various programs, and if I remember correctly, I don't think Norton did too terribly well.  By all means, keep Norton if it's what you want to use.  I feel it would be best to use AVG, but it's up to you.  But you should at least have a backup to scan with every now and then.

I'm wondering how I may have gotten them if they are 'real' viruses, since I pretty much visit the same sites over and over, and they are safe sites. And I never download things.
There are all sorts of ways this could've happened.  Especially if you're not the only user.  You may have download something from a friend who was unknowingly infected.  Or maybe the sites you visit aren't as safe as you think (or perhaps you've visited a site or two that you don't remember).  Check out this handy little guide...

http://www.castlecops.com/postlite7736-.html

With viruses, if it's an active one, won't it show up in the task manager? I monitor it very closely, and nothing suspicious is running.
Not always.  Many active infections will show up in the Task Manager, but not all of them will.  Some of these infections can be pretty crafty and will hide themselves, or even disguise themselves as what appear to be normal system files.
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Re: Norton Activation?
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2007, 07:43:07 AM »
I'd try the AVG, but to not have them both running at the same time would basically mean to uninstall Norton, right?  That would be hard to do....
No, it just means you should configure one of them to not be running in the background.  You can do this somewhere in the control panel for the software.  Then, if you wanted to use the inactive one for a manual scan, you could temporarily disable the main one and manually start the usually-idle one and do a scan with it.

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    « Reply #18 on: April 17, 2007, 09:29:27 AM »
    Do you think that they could just be small, harmless viruses? 

    Like the sun is a little hot?

    There are a such thing as viruses that don't do much damage.

    So, you can configure AVG to not run in the background? I may give it a try then.

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    « Reply #19 on: April 17, 2007, 09:55:41 AM »
    Do you think that they could just be small, harmless viruses? 

    Like the sun is a little hot?

    There are a such thing as viruses that don't do much damage.

    So, you can configure AVG to not run in the background? I may give it a try then.

    You can configure any program not to run in the background, but it takes more than ctrl + alt + del to shut ti down. You'll have to disable the AVG services under start -> run -> services.msc as well. Just don't forget to put them back up when you're done.

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      « Reply #20 on: April 17, 2007, 01:43:45 PM »
      Hey again everyone.

      I downloaded the free version of AVG, installed it, and got the latest updates. I did ac complete scan, and nothing was found. Maybe the things Kaspersky found weren't 'real' virsus at all, maybe?

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      « Reply #21 on: April 17, 2007, 01:45:08 PM »
      Hey again everyone.

      I downloaded the free version of AVG, installed it, and got the latest updates. I did ac complete scan, and nothing was found. Maybe the things Kaspersky found weren't 'real' virsus at all, maybe?

      Possible, sometimes you get false readings from other programs or sometimes the virus scanner makes an error in judgement..

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        « Reply #22 on: April 17, 2007, 02:03:14 PM »
        Hey again everyone.

        I downloaded the free version of AVG, installed it, and got the latest updates. I did ac complete scan, and nothing was found. Maybe the things Kaspersky found weren't 'real' virsus at all, maybe?

        Possible, sometimes you get false readings from other programs or sometimes the virus scanner makes an error in judgement..

        Perhaps so, because other than the Norton thing, my computer is running normally.

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        « Reply #23 on: April 17, 2007, 04:14:30 PM »
        Good to hear...now decide on ONE virus scanning program and get rid of the other two...i still say for your needs AVG Free is probably the best bet.

        If you need Norton removal instructions post back...we have a guide.
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        Re: Norton Activation?
        « Reply #24 on: April 17, 2007, 07:05:10 PM »
        Good to hear...now decide on ONE virus scanning program and get rid of the other two...i still say for your needs AVG Free is probably the best bet.

        If you need Norton removal instructions post back...we have a guide.
        I support this.  But like I said, it's entirely up to you.

        When Kaspersky detected those files, did you simply ignore them?
        They could just be false positives, but to be on the safe side, I would see what results you get on VirusTotal.  You may even want to upload them to the Spykiller forum to see what they say.

        Just because a certain virus doesn't necessarily damage your computer, that doesn't mean it's harmless.
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          « Reply #25 on: April 18, 2007, 12:01:25 AM »
          Just because a certain virus doesn't necessarily damage your computer, that doesn't mean it's harmless.

          What exactly do they do?  I have seen many people rave about how good AVG is, so I was just gonna assume that they were okay to leave there. Is it probably unwise to just ignore them? Because they show no signs of being in action on my computer.

          I'm a person who is overly paranoid of viruses (as you can probably tell, heh..), so I limit myself to where I go. I talk to some others who said Norton isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I hate to remove Norton, especially since our subscription isn't over yet.  I also have a hard time trusting new programs. We've had Norton for two years and this is the first time we've had a virus, if they actually turn out to be viruses.
          If you only go to 'safe' sites and don't download anything from emails, wouldn't Norton be okay? I don't go to 'unsafe' sites.

          Even the Kaspersky site gives Norton a high detection rate:
          http://usa.kaspersky.com/services/free-virus-scanner.php

          I thought about this, though. I was going to keep Norton for my firewall and scan with it now and then. I was also going to keep AVG, but just not have it running all the time. I'll just do a scan with it weekly. Would that be an okay setup?

          I'll do the virustotal scan thing and post the results later.

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          Re: Norton Activation?
          « Reply #26 on: April 18, 2007, 12:27:54 AM »
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          Just because a certain virus doesn't necessarily damage your computer, that doesn't mean it's harmless.

          Yeah, true.
          They can annoy you, like pop-ups, or they can disable certain functions.

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            « Reply #27 on: April 18, 2007, 01:54:07 AM »
            Hey again everyone. 

            I did another scan with Kaspersky and saved a log. Should I post it here, or do it elsewhere?

            But something about this scan was very odd. On the last scan, it detected 4 virses and 7 infected files. This time around there were only 2 viruses, and 16 infected ones. I think the infected ones are harmless, because they are in the system restore folder. Or I could be wrong....

            Also, is it wise to let Norton remain as my firewall, but do a lot of my main scans with AVG (which isn't running constantly)?

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            Re: Norton Activation?
            « Reply #28 on: April 18, 2007, 02:07:02 AM »
            What exactly do they do?
            It depends on what kind you have.  Some can send information to the makers, some can log your keystrokes and send the info to the makers (this would include passwords, credit card numbers, etc.), some can change/disable your settings, some can hog up your bandwidth and slow down your connection, some can even dial out with your line and possibly make charges to your phone, and some can open up a "backdoor" and allow all of these other types of infections to sneak in without your knowledge.  The list goes on.  None of these actually damage your computer, but I would hardly call them harmless.

            I have seen many people rave about how good AVG is, so I was just gonna assume that they were okay to leave there. Is it probably unwise to just ignore them? Because they show no signs of being in action on my computer.
            They might be perfectly safe, but if I were you, I wouldn't take my chances.  'Tis better to err on the side of caution.

            If you only go to 'safe' sites and don't download anything from emails, wouldn't Norton be okay? I don't go to 'unsafe' sites.
            I would suggest downloading Spyware Blaster and SiteAdvisor to help ensure that the sites you visit really are safe.

            I was going to keep Norton for my firewall and scan with it now and then. I was also going to keep AVG, but just not have it running all the time. I'll just do a scan with it weekly. Would that be an okay setup?
            I still stand by Norton being a bit less than desirable, but if you keep AVG as a backup and remember to update it and scan regularly, then I imagine you'll be alright.  When you scan those files, post the results here for us to take a look at.

            I did another scan with Kaspersky and saved a log. Should I post it here, or do it elsewhere?

            But something about this scan was very odd. On the last scan, it detected 4 virses and 7 infected files. This time around there were only 2 viruses, and 16 infected ones. I think the infected ones are harmless, because they are in the system restore folder. Or I could be wrong....
            Go ahead and post your log here for us look at.  Also, when you scan, it is often advised to turn System Restore off.  This will delete your restore points.  You'll want to do that because if you ever need to restore to an older point, those infections will be put back on your computer.  After scanning and getting a clean bill of health, you'll want to turn System Restore back on and create a new restore point.

            Also, is it wise to let Norton remain as my firewall, but do a lot of my main scans with AVG (which isn't running constantly)?
            Running Norton Firewall shouldn't give you any problems.  But when you scan with AVG, Norton Antivirus should be temporarily disabled.
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              « Reply #29 on: April 18, 2007, 09:55:28 AM »
              Here is the Kaspersky scan.

              KASPERSKY ONLINE SCANNER REPORT
               Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:45:42 AM
               Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
               Kaspersky Online Scanner version: 5.0.93.0
               Kaspersky Anti-Virus database last update: 18/04/2007
               Kaspersky Anti-Virus database records: 298809
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              Scan Settings:
                 Scan using the following antivirus database: extended
                 Scan Archives: true
                 Scan Mail Bases: true

              Scan Target - My Computer:
                 A:\
                 C:\
                 D:\
                 E:\

              Scan Statistics:
                 Total number of scanned objects: 96040
                 Number of viruses found: 2
                 Number of infected objects: 16
                 Number of suspicious objects: 0
                 Duration of the scan process: 01:45:31

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