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« on: July 05, 2007, 09:41:56 AM »
hey everyone i just wanted to take time out to type this thread as it is something close to my heart and im sure all of sures in some aspect , as you know theres is a lot of political proper ganda and coruption in the war in iraq but lets not forget what some of the true causes are soliders in theory are going over there for , many men and women have died for the right so iraq can have some freedom from ruthless mercenaries and there cold blooded hearts , i think some people dont understand the true causes for this war , so many people have died its not right to think its all for nofing and i hope to say it will be over soon but im not in place to say that i really belive this war will be over no time soon , the reasons being oil , gold , and more money , some americains leaders i think are over there for one reason only oil and the financial profits of robbing a country of there own produces , im not saying its only america im sure the untied kingdom has there hand in someones pocket some where.

I hope the troops come home soon. And God bless  :'(
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Re: Iraq and are troops
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2007, 09:45:14 AM »
This topic and your other one, "What is your fave movie and actor....", should be in the Off-Topic section.  Other is still for computer-related topics.  The Off-Topic section was specifically created for such topics as your two recent topics here.

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2007, 09:46:47 AM »
I see , sorry , a admin should see this and move them  :o ;)

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    « Reply #3 on: July 05, 2007, 12:24:32 PM »
    1. iF Bush did all this for just oil, he would have been crucified a long time ago with all the scrutiny thats watching him daily.
    2. What powers up your motor vehicle ?
    3. If you actually see an interview with a soldier on the ground over there "live",not invented or corrupted by the bbc, cnn or msnbc - you  will  never see them negative about their cause be it justified or not.
    4. You know it sucks being there and I'm sure they are not happy but they do their duty.
    5. The day the "west" leaves there and pulls out all of our troops,  there will be no more middle east....   read between the lines......  duke  _ _ _em...(ie.. were never leaving the region folks*) ......

    We will always have troops there and in another country shortly,   ;).....
    keep the people over there in your prayers and or your thoughts.....

    China & India need huge amounts of oil due to their growing economies and  China's incredible momentous gains in the last 20 years! OIL runs  Nations....  its just a fact..........
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      « Reply #4 on: July 05, 2007, 12:36:09 PM »
      Reppin all the UK Soliders, your doing good lads.
      I was gonna join the Army but cant :(

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      « Reply #5 on: July 05, 2007, 01:48:43 PM »
      I did join the amry , but wouldnt allow me in for personal reasons..... :o

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      Re: Iraq and are troops
      « Reply #6 on: July 05, 2007, 03:09:11 PM »
      i think the main cause for concern is a subconscious thing. there are illegal things going on there, and someone has to be blamed. people know subconsciously that these illegal things are happening, and can't quite tell that that's what's bothering them. i think the only reason half this crap was said by the media/fanatics/etc. was to further blind people. there's nothing wrong with the american troops being over there, they're doing their job, it's just that some are doing... questionable things in the meantime, and by some, i mean a VERY small percentage, which screws up the image of the rest. imagine their morale... poor guys get blamed for things a few stupid people decided would benefit them.

      i think lots of the ''conspiracies'' aren't actually conspiracies so much as a blinding by those who want the public to think differently. if the public speaks up in the wrong way, eventually something has to be done about it, that something is usually exactly what the public think they want, to stop further issues with the public of course. but this is exactly what those with strange opinions want, if they can influence the public in countries not affected by the current situation, imagine what's happening to the countries that are. these countries are dependant upon the help of troops to save their families and jobs and houses and children, if one bad influence sets these people off, they're going to trust the wrong people and most likely ruin or lose their lives....

      i don't know how much of this will be agreed with, but i know subjects like this are rather touchy, so, before flaming, please do not misinterpret what i've said, and if you do, tell me the reason for the flaming. by all means i will accept criticism for my opinions, but let's get one thing straight. i support these people who are fighting for the protection of others. nobody else, only those. if anyone is doing otherwise, including people who may be in the American army, i don't support them.

      rant over... sorta...
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      Re: Iraq and are troops
      « Reply #7 on: July 05, 2007, 04:06:03 PM »
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      Re: Iraq and are troops
      « Reply #8 on: July 05, 2007, 10:22:35 PM »
      I will start by saying those troops are all volunteers .

      The USA don't draft anymore.

      So, they are just doing a dangerous job they were
      trained to do,like a policeman.

      I was in the US Army from 1969 until 1980.

      I wish them all the best and hope this will end soon.

      At the same time I know we still have armed forces
      in Germany since 1945 when the war ended 62 years
      ago.We have had armed forces in Japan for the same
      amount of time.

      Korea about 55 years.

      I doubt anyone now living in the USA will ever see us
      really bring our armed forces home.

      If the dumba$$ed media wants to talk about something...

      Why not find out when the USA is leaving Germany,Japan,
      and South Korea...Hmmm. Wonder when those 3 wars will
      end ?
      Sorry,The USA has ruined the language The United Kingdom loaned us. We do our best not to type gibberish. I Hope you can forgive us.

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      Re: Iraq and are troops
      « Reply #9 on: July 06, 2007, 12:24:50 AM »
      I do believe President Bush did drop the D word once before... but it was covered up very quickly

      I am not a very war-pro person. Its never been a "fuzzy tingly" thought to me (you know, shotting people)
      Its something I could easily refuse to do, and accept the punishment of death for. Its completely immoral.

      Far as I am concerned:
      It wasn't Afghanistan and Iraq who crashed a plane into the (forgot the name...), it was an individual group of [insane] people who obviously thought we needed it...

      "We found weapons of mass destruction" - President Bush
      ^ One of the many lies.

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      http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/bushdesk.php << For humors sake


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        « Reply #10 on: July 06, 2007, 02:04:00 AM »
        "We found weapons of mass destruction" - President Bush

        when you follow the news like I do and understand things after years of learning its almost "comical"....   In a way the above statement is in fact correct. It's the TRUTH.*

        His dad sold them to Iraq.  facts don't lie................   8)
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        « Reply #11 on: July 06, 2007, 03:44:48 AM »
        "We found weapons of mass destruction" - President Bush

        when you follow the news like I do and understand things after years of learning its almost "comical"....   In a way the above statement is in fact correct. It's the TRUTH.*

        His dad sold them to Iraq.  facts don't lie................   8)
        They never found any weapons though. Whether they exist or not is something different.


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          « Reply #12 on: July 06, 2007, 04:06:32 AM »
          There are about 30,000 Kurds up in the Northern Provinces who would claim they do exist.....they can't speak now , though............ :-[
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          « Reply #13 on: July 06, 2007, 04:07:53 AM »
          There are about 30,000 Kurds up in the Northern Provinces who would claim they do exist.....they can't speak now , though............ :-[
          But nevertheless, it is a lie then, and there were no found weapons, therefor, making it fiction, not fact

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            « Reply #14 on: July 06, 2007, 04:42:53 AM »
            Are "you" so sure?  Do you draw your own conclusions from what you watch on the television ? What you hear on a radio ?
             Saddam was a Bathist. Syria is run and controlled by the Bathists.
             
              Posted on February 22, 2006 | Filed Under Politics, Iraq

            Last Month, Georges Sada, Saddam Hussein’s No. 2 man in the Iraqi Air Force, confirmed to the New York Sun that Iraqi WMDs were moved to Syria just before the war began.
                Mr. Sada, 65, told the Sun that the pilots of the two airliners that transported the weapons of mass destruction to Syria from Iraq approached him in the middle of 2004, after Saddam was captured by American troops.

            These pilots appearently told Sada that two commercial Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to transport planes by removing the seats. Then the Republican Guard loaded the planes with containers labeled with skull and crossbones, and the contents were then flown to Syria under the guise of a commercial flight. 56 such flights were made in all.

            Now we have another high ranking official coming out with similar information.

            Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti, southern regional commander for Saddam Hussein’s Fedayeen militia in the late 80s, discussed Saddam’s al-Qaida link with worldthreats.com. Although al-Tikriti defected shortly before the first Gulf War, he is confident that Iraqs WMDs (which he confirmed existed prior to his defection) were moved to Syria based on contingency plans between Baghdad and Damascus.
             I have discussed this in-depth with various contacts of mine who have confirmed what I already knew,” he said. Saddam…”wanted since he took power to embarrass the West, and this was the perfect opportunity to do so,” al-Tikriti said… What we are witnessing now, he said, “is many who opposed the war to begin with are rallying around Saddam saying we overthrew a sovereign leader based on a lie about WMD. This is exactly what Saddam wanted and predicted… Some of Saddam’s key scientists are personal friends of mine, as well as other key leaders in the former Iraqi military,” he said. “I have helped draw information since my defecting to the United States government voluntarily and with the permission of these contacts. “

            http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48827

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            Re: Iraq and are troops
            « Reply #15 on: July 06, 2007, 03:59:04 PM »
            But thats besides the point, it was a lie because they were never found

            We may have known that they were there, but we never found them.

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            « Reply #16 on: July 06, 2007, 04:40:48 PM »
            like i said earlier... the weapons and oil are unrelated to the troops being there. it's all got to do with self satisfaction and keeping the public uninformed.
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            « Reply #17 on: July 06, 2007, 06:34:16 PM »
            like i said earlier... the weapons and oil are unrelated to the troops being there. it's all got to do with self satisfaction and keeping the public uninformed.
            As I recall, the weapons were the reason we were there in the first place, and it eventual went on to "we need to stop the terrorists"

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            « Reply #18 on: July 06, 2007, 06:45:51 PM »
            it's not either though. it was originally supposed to be a joint attempt at doing some good and then became an attempt at trying to stop the illegalities that were going on, and the various other information sources around at the time used lots of stupid stories to try to prove the wrong point, ie. weapons of mass destruction, meaning, the governement had to at least make it seem like they were trying to disprove it to stop the wrong ideas being available to the masses.
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            « Reply #19 on: July 06, 2007, 06:47:38 PM »
            yep thats 100% true but like street said if you watch the news enough and read in between the lines , this war is more corup that a cup of the masons tea......

            facts are: We aint got any WMD'S
                            The goverment in irag isnt civil still
                            The poltics are as bent as david beckems right foot
                           


            Take this for example , a news reporter from the bbc has been taken hostage there ...... what has either country done to get him back..... well they have made it public just as everything else in that war is...public. Nofing has been done , and i dont think anything will be done ....... i wouldnt really class this a war either , sorry if i stated it before , its a civil war now between irag and the extermists that cloud there judgment into thinking they will enter pardise if they blow themselfs up , A LOAD OF SH** IF U ASK ME ....... iraq has been like this for sometime , even before president bush took over in the election... it rasies a question as to why anything wasnt done in the 1st place to stop this people from even getting into the postion there in now ..... as for the WMDS , that was just a excuse to go over there , yes to make profit on oil and yes also to try and slove the issues witht he country itself....

            My opion.... if i get some critsim i will take it the best i can....

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            « Reply #20 on: July 06, 2007, 06:57:17 PM »
            you sorta proved my point there buddy, except for one thing.
            yes there is basically a civil war goin on there, but as i said earlier, the original intent was to in fact help those caught in the war, same as what the aussie troops are TRYING to do now, but keep getting interrupted in the middle of.
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            « Reply #21 on: July 06, 2007, 07:01:43 PM »
            Yh i get you , but the orginal intent only became serious when the alert rate went up iraq , i mean everyone sees on the news 27 people dead in iraq nearly every day , those poor poor people , only when it started happying everyday did president bush sigh a declaration to go into the country and sort it out diplomatically , the united states is the super power in this world , no one will turn down help from them , i reckon the converstation went like this........


            so we will help you and your people if we can take as much oil as we want........



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            « Reply #22 on: July 06, 2007, 07:07:42 PM »
            or this:

            U.S.: how about we improve our reputation by trying to help the iraqis
            Adviser: most of your troops are dead or are involved in illegal activity, we'll send some more...
            U.S.: maybe we should try and get some oil now?
            Adviser: we'll just tell the public it has nothing to do with oil and raise their suspicions
            Australia: how about we help so the koreans don't think we're tightasses, and bomb us

            ...
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            « Reply #23 on: July 06, 2007, 07:09:17 PM »
            Did u someone how hack bushs awnswering machine lmao ...... just think hit-men could be after us right now for uncovreing the truth...... ;D

            I got my wolfer ppk ready......

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            « Reply #24 on: July 06, 2007, 07:32:12 PM »
             ;D
            i'm fine with my collection of swords
            which are in my room, and are... *cough* perfectly legal *cough*...
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            « Reply #25 on: July 06, 2007, 07:45:19 PM »
            Yh lmao well im a little drunk now so i dont think im gunna post the rest of the night we can carry this discuusion on tmoz if your not on i will write a bunch of my opion and tell me what you think.....

            remeber beer cooler by my side lmao

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            « Reply #26 on: July 06, 2007, 07:47:53 PM »
             :P ok then
            you wait til i get the money mate, i'll come visit and see who lasts longer with your choice of alcoholic beverage :P
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            « Reply #27 on: July 07, 2007, 10:20:54 AM »
            :P ok then
            you wait til i get the money mate, i'll come visit and see who lasts longer with your choice of alcoholic beverage :P
            Im a bit of a light weight depening on what im drinking , as far as beer goes i drink that stuff like water haha , but yh im sure i could be a good drinking challange for you , your on lmao name the place and the time......  :P

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            « Reply #28 on: July 07, 2007, 10:23:21 AM »
             ;D russia, the chekhov hotel, in 3 years when i have the money for the plane >.<

            you know why i chose russia? because that particular hotel isn't russian, but serves free vodka! a bottle every day if i remember correctly..
            i think i got the name wrong though >.<
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            « Reply #29 on: July 07, 2007, 10:27:53 AM »
            ;D russia, the chekhov hotel, in 3 years when i have the money for the plane >.<

            you know why i chose russia? because that particular hotel isn't russian, but serves free vodka! a bottle every day if i remember correctly..
            i think i got the name wrong though >.<
            You on there buddy i will hold you to that , and im not jokeing lol just as long as it isnt homemade russian vodka saw a show on skyone about that stuff lmao , but seriously 3 years from now russia it is ......

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            « Reply #30 on: July 07, 2007, 11:42:27 AM »
            *censored* right buddy ;)
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            « Reply #31 on: July 07, 2007, 11:44:54 AM »
            hehe........ ;D it will be fun allthough i have to warn you im a sharp fighter i will go kung-foo on your *censored* if you end up being 80 and diside to kidnap me lmao  ::) ;D but i will be 23 so im sure i can handle myself even more so watch out im  NORTH WEST LONDON BOY..... HAHA

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            « Reply #32 on: July 07, 2007, 11:46:42 AM »
            hah! northwest london! i'm the opposite.  :o i'm south east ipswich, fooool! :P ipswich in australia that is, next to brisbane, and i'm one belt off black in tae kwon do...
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              « Reply #33 on: July 07, 2007, 02:54:48 PM »
              2 Years, 7/7!  God bless!! Peace

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              « Reply #34 on: July 07, 2007, 02:58:20 PM »
              i'm voting for the next potplant that runs in an election... it won last time around for the aussie government...
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              « Reply #35 on: July 07, 2007, 02:59:24 PM »
              I dont vote simple as , allthough jury duty kicks *censored*

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              « Reply #36 on: July 08, 2007, 10:22:44 AM »
              my ex bf might be going to iraq :/ i found out yesterday and that made me super sad :(

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              « Reply #37 on: July 08, 2007, 11:01:29 AM »
              my ex bf might be going to iraq :/ i found out yesterday and that made me super sad :(
              going there as in, uhh.. in the army?
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              « Reply #38 on: July 08, 2007, 06:33:31 PM »
              he is in air force

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              « Reply #39 on: July 08, 2007, 06:43:50 PM »
               :o my best friend is in the RAAF and is goin to iraq
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                « Reply #40 on: July 08, 2007, 07:53:37 PM »
                Instead of reading all the distinguished opinions presented here, I will simply provide my own. Apologies; I don't have too much patience reading arguments (which I can say with 98% certainty do exist in this thread). Which reminds me: as a mod, I'm obligated to remind everyone to keep things civil. :)

                I believe the reason we went to war in Iraq was because we had reason to believe that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, or was making them. I find it hard to believe he didn't; if he really had no WMD's, he acted pretty stupid when he pretty much said, "Nyah, nyah, you can't check my nation and I'm snubbing you all!". If he really had nothing, you'd think he'd allow the UN to confirm that. Then again, I'm not him (I'm probably smarter than him; he always reminded me of the Civilization II AI, which was piss-poor). Sadly, we'll never really know, will we?

                According to some liberal debating opponents from a while back, a grand total of 0 terrorists met their death the night "Shock and Awe" went into action. I don't know if he's correct or not, but it begs the question: What did we bomb, if he's right? I'd say it was WMD caches. But then, I'm not 100% on that. I still say he had something he didn't want us to see; we may not have found it.

                The US made a dumb mistake when they changed their reason for going in; I wish they'd stick to their guns. It'd remove a lot of debating firepower the liberals have right now. Frankly, Bush has egg on his face, not because we didn't find WMD's, but because Bush did a crappy job in Damage Control.

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                  Re: Iraq and are troops
                  « Reply #41 on: July 08, 2007, 08:01:51 PM »
                  As for the reason of removing Hussein from power, that was why we went in; it was part of the original reason. The US government simply adjusted focus by removing "...to eliminate the threat of WMD's" from the original reason. We did, if you recall, threaten to remove Hussein from power. That was the goal. However, by shifting emphasis on the reason from WMD to "protect/liberate the citizens", it made the impression that we were flaking on our goals. Stupidity from the Dept. of Defense, in my opinion.

                  As for the withdrawal from Iraq... I get frustrated every time I hear crap about a "timetable". I'd rather not leave Iraq in the lurch because of an arbitrary date. A much better solution is to make an event-table for withdrawal. For example, "When the number of attacks in [city] drops below X, we may withdraw Y troops (or redeploy them as needed)". This way, the job gets done, violence eventually goes down, and the liberals have nothing to complain about.

                  However, I don't think we should ever fully withdraw from Iraq. With Iran and that impotent Ahmadinejad (you can tell by looking at him, I swear) blackmailing the US from the east, and Hezbollah rising again in the West, well, frankly, we need a foothold in the Middle-East. A base similar to the one in Germany (we never pulled out of Germany...) would be ideal for helping to contain the threat.
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                  Re: Iraq and are troops
                  « Reply #42 on: July 08, 2007, 09:02:39 PM »
                  Very nice to see you back, Dilbert  :)

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                    Re: Iraq and our troops
                    « Reply #43 on: July 08, 2007, 09:24:00 PM »
                    Hey, Zylstra. :)

                    Topic edited: The grammatical error got under my skin. No idea why.
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                    « Reply #44 on: July 08, 2007, 09:41:29 PM »
                    Hey, Zylstra. :)

                    Topic edited: The grammatical error got under my skin. No idea why.
                    personal spell checker , now that could come in handy for someone like me....

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                      Re: Iraq and our troops
                      « Reply #45 on: July 08, 2007, 10:37:58 PM »
                      I'm a slave to the spelling! :(
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                      Re: Iraq and our troops
                      « Reply #46 on: July 09, 2007, 04:42:42 AM »
                      i thought he was just making a comical remark directed at george bush's accent with that ''spelling error'' :P
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                      Re: Iraq and our troops
                      « Reply #47 on: July 09, 2007, 11:36:55 PM »
                      I'm a slave to the spelling! :(
                      Not always a bad thing

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                      Re: Iraq and our troops
                      « Reply #48 on: July 11, 2007, 06:13:56 PM »
                      As far as the Iraqi war goes the below is what changed it all.
                      This is how the WMD's had time to be moved dispersed, or
                      destroyed.


                      The Big Change In Events,

                      In January 2003, the division primed itself for Operation Iraqi Freedom. Big Red One soldiers formed Headquarters, Armed Forces-Turkey and prepared the way for the 4th Infantry Division to enter Iraq through Turkey. When the Turkish Government denied access through their border, ARFOR-T collapsed the lines of communication it had built and the 4th ID deployed to Iraq via Kuwait.

                      So,What happened to -->'Iraq and are troops' <--d****t! I liked the title
                      of the original post.
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                      Re: Iraq and our troops
                      « Reply #49 on: July 11, 2007, 06:17:32 PM »
                      he's not allowed to pick on southern accents...
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                      « Reply #50 on: July 11, 2007, 06:29:35 PM »
                      I was shore thank'n that thar same thang.

                      I love and support 'are troops'.
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                      « Reply #51 on: July 11, 2007, 06:38:39 PM »
                      see that's almost comprehensible.
                      you're getting better with your accent. i taught you well.
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                      « Reply #52 on: July 12, 2007, 04:36:23 AM »
                      Thank ye! I'm pert near fluent. ;D
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