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I am having a terrible time here and feeling really stressed out trying to understand what I am doing wrong in my codes. One of the biggest reasons I started learning how to create a website is because I really enjoy designing things.
The first site I made was on Angelfire. I signed up by giving them my email address and everything else. I also have done sites using Geocities and Tripod too.
The first thing I thought I'd start with is just creating a page with links to other people's websites. And for the title of the page, I put something like Links for other websites on Computers, or whatever the stuff on the page is. I figure if people can click on the links and it takes them to the site, then I must have done it correct.
The only things I'm a bit confused on is what type of symbols and brackets I need to use for things. Like when they say Tags, I'm not sure if I've been understanding the definition correct. When I do links, do I need to put some type of a bracket around it? Like < > {} [] or ( )
For example, I type the urls- which I thought URL stands for Links to websites. Is that not what URL is? http://www.computerhope.com
So, like if I'm adding a link for this site on mine would I put
brackets around it?
<http://www.computerhope.com>
and then would I put quotation marks around the link "http://www.computerhope.com"
so like  Is this correct- <"http://www.computerhope.com">
or do I need to do Computer Hope
and then [/url] is the closing tag? Am I understanding that right on opening and closing tags? When someone explains it to me that way and put
opening tag in between greater than less than brackets
<opening tag>
and then they put the closing tag </opening tag>
do I put the / before the word opening tag like I did and then the other symbol > like I did after the word tag ?

For years, I have been creating websites with only Html codes. I have made sites using Tables and have done Frames too. But now find out I've maybe been doing my codes wrong, but having a difficult time trying to understand if I need to change things and where I need to change it at if I do need to change it at all.
Anyways, so back around August/September I started helping one of my sisters and her husband out with creating a website for his new business since I've been doing them for years now with only Html codes.
I went to an html help forum to get help on my table alignment issues, and then people start saying something about not to use tables and CSS.

So, then my next problem, what do they mean about CSS and then not using tables? I don't see any other way to put a picture in the middle, and text on both sides without using a table and putting the picture in the middle cell, and text or even links to other sites in the left and right cells.
They also keep saying something about a div tag, which I'm trying to understand where I need to put the div tags. Do I put them in the body tags, or in the head tags, the title tags. Where do I put them?
and do I type out the word div and put it in between the greater than less than brackets <div> for the opening and then the closing div tag </div>
the stuff I put between the opening and closing tags are things people are suppose to be able to see, am I correct?
Here is what someone said to me, and I don't understand what they mean by this-
" text="" " is only supported by a few browsers. Probably Internet Explorer. Using text="#ff000" is NOT using CSS! I also can not find any validity for using text=""! Just shows you how sloppy some browsers are at parsing a web page. IE is STILL about 10 years behind the standards. People like using it because it is so forgiving of very sloppy code.

What is meant by that above statement?
Also another thing is this-
You can't use Geocities as an example even if it looks like YOU want it to:
"Some of those errors is because Geocities server writes code to your pages which you have no control over."
I also don't understand what they mean about the correct doctype tag.
What do I need to do and where do I type it out at.
Also, don't understand the parse thing. What do they mean about that?
Here is what they say- 
If a page is properly done as close to standards as possible there are many benefits other than being able to validate and being search engine friendly. Some of your pages will actually be smaller in size and load much faster. You'll not lose viewers if your code works in more than a few browsers. Did you know your pages have to be parsed more than once when using tables? Same when you use the image tag without the width/height attributes. IE is bad about parsing table tags twice.

Here is something else I don't understand
There ARE differences!!!!!! The coding using CSS is entirely different than what you use. I don't understand why you can see the the difference. I've used selectors/classes in CSS to do way more control of tags than you do with the old way as there are CSS controls NOT available for normal attributes. Plus, all that embedded styling can be put on a styles.css file and linked to by more than one page. Then when I need that styling I just call the selector/class name.

What is meant by this above thing?

They also keep saying something about I'm styling the background wrong, and I don't understand how it's wrong, because the background I have chosen and the other colors are showing up on my pages. I don't understand how I'm doing it wrong when it's showing up.
Here is what someone said about the background
UPDATE: You can use background="" like that. It's bg="" that is wrong for HTML. It would be in CSS: url(lightblue.jpg) no-repeat center scroll;". That sets your background color to green while image loads, loads image in center of container, doesn't repeat image and allows content AND image to scroll together. All that in one line for CSS!


What does that mean about it sets the background to green. I don't understand how it will be green, because I put lightblue. How can lightblue be green? I don't understand this.
Also, when they say to start with the body tag. How can I start with the body tag, when the head and title tag, and all is suppose to go before the body tag?
Here are some addresses to my sites so someone can see what I mean about I know how to make websites, and don't understand why things are showing up at all if I'm doing my codes wrong.
Maybe someone can help me understand this. It's stressed me out so much because I really want to do a good job on my work, and don't understand how to even make a CSS file or how to include it in my pages and not mess it up. So many people keep saying CSS is not required, but then some keep saying yes. I asked my nephew the other day if he knows what CSS is since he creates sites. He also works as an accountant. But he had no idea what it is.
Here is another thing that someone said to me-
Trying to get you to do your links with CSS as the order DOES matter and it is not recommended to style the body tag with all that garbage when CSS does it so much neater and quicker. With a link to the style sheet, ALL pages will have the links and body style the same so your pages look familiar as people navigate your pages.


Also what do they mean when they say style is an attribute and goes inside of what you are styling?

Here is a page of mine that has the lightblue.jpg for the background, and it's showing up. So, I don't understand about the Green background
http://www.geocities.com/amytvfan99/theapprentice.html

Here is the main page of one of my sites I've done on reality shows. I still don't understand how to change the errors or where to go to fix them. I'm not understanding it at all on what I'm doing wrong here.
http://www.geocities.com/amytvfan99/

The other thing I get confused on is determining where links end at. Like do they end with index.html
or do they end with .com
.net

That's what gets confusing on if I'm typing in the correct url, such as links. I thought links and urls are the same thing? Are they not?
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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2009, 01:26:32 PM »
Woah that's a long post if I ever saw one!

For a start, all HTML "tags" use the greater than and less than signs, or < and >.
My Site!

To save writing a full tutorial, I'd highly recommend going to W3Schools. There you will find plenty of tutorials to feed you interest in design. Start at the top of the list on the left hand side and work your way down slowly. It will proabably take months or work, but when you find what you'll be able to achieve, you'll be glad of it. Actually, the Web never stops and will never stop evolving, so you'll never be finished learning! W3Schools is where I learned everything, and I'm happy to post a link to it.

So, good luck with all your training. If you ever need assistance, come back here and myself or another member will be glad to help. ;)

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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 03:50:10 PM »
Yes, I went to that website, but I still do not understand what I am doing wrong in my codes. Everyone keeps thinking that I am just beginning to create websites. That is what I'm trying to explain.
The only way to prove to people what I already know how to do is have them go to my websites that I have created already and then explain to me, why if my codes are wrong, why are things showing up at all? If it's wrong, then I don't understand why things I've put on my sites are showing up.
Here are the urls to my sites-
1. This site was the very first site I made-
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/JTT99/
Please, if this is wrong, then why are things showing up on my site.
That is what I'm trying to understand here.

I took an online computer class already at my college here. We made websites in the class. We put tables, pictures, all kinds of stuff on the sites.

So, that is why I'm trying to figure out is CSS some type of a new language and why are people saying not to put tables on my sites. Is putting a table on my site illegal?

I've been designing sites since 1995, and back when I first started doing them, I went around to all the tutorial web sites and asked questions back and forth to help clear stuff up on what I am doing wrong. So, I thought I was understanding things. But now I find out maybe something is wrong.

The only reason I found out about CSS is when I tried to get help on one little thing, table alignment. Then when people tell me not to use tables on my site anymore. I'm trying to understand is using tables illegal or something.
Then they say CSS files are suppose to be an external link preferrably. So, if it's external, then that means something that is not on the computer.
Is that why I can't find these files?


Yes, I understand that Html tags use the greater than less than signs.
That wasn't my question.
The tags,   <a> is that a tag for a link to another site?
then you must close the tag so so put it [/url]
?
Here is how I do a link tag below:
Geocities

Is that correct? If that is wrong, then please, what do I need to take out of it to correct it?
and if I want to do a paragraph, don't I need to type the letter p in between the greater than less than brackets to begin the paragraph
<p>
then these words and so on
and then for the closing tag
I need to type </p>
Closing tag- meaning typing another greater than less than brackets and put a slash / before the p inside the brackets.
</p>
This is what i'm understanding is a closing tag </p>
Am I misunderstanding the definition of a closing tag?



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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 09:42:33 PM »
that page sure looks like it was designed by a beginner.

Tables aren't unworkable they are bad practice. instead of a TABLE tag you could easily use a <DIV ALIGN="CENTER"></DIV> tags.

you also appear to be having difficulty grasping what kpac mention first, in response to your multiple queries of "Do I start it with < and end it with >, and when I put the closing tag do I do the same < and > with a /?

Why ASK that if you already knew?


an external file means a different file, not in the HTML.

Read w3schools. it answers ALL these questions.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 12:03:56 AM »
I give up, I'm just going to kill myself. I can't stop crying.  :'(
I went to that site, but I do not understand anything on how to put the tags.
I took a class already at my college, and the teacher had us put tables on our site. So, I don't understand. I guess the teacher was lying. That is what I'm not understanding. The class was called Computer Concepts And Applications.
We did not do any CSS or anything like that. But we did do websites, and all the assignments had us put tables on the sites. So, I don't understand what is going on here all of a sudden.
Yes, we saved files with an .html extension, but nothing will allow me to save with a .css extension. I keep trying, and no program will allow me to do that, so I don't know what to do about that. I keep getting all kinds of errors when trying.
I did run into alot of problems though with things in my class, but did get an A. The big reason I ran in to problems is I got hacked really bad right when I signed up for the class. One of the first assignments was to download AIM and then tell the teacher our screen name.  The reason I took the online computer class is due to my health. I am disabled and hard for me to get out of the house much.
Ever since I found out about this CSS stuff and nobody will help me on what I need to change, my health has been gettting so much worse. I've been having to go in hospital and my liver enzymes up so much.

The school site is even available on my server half the time and I got hacked while trying to get to that site once.



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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 09:41:32 AM »
just to be clear there is nothing "Bad" about tables, they aren't unworkable, It's just "recommended" to use CSS.

I myself programming Visual Basic 6, which is not "recommended", instead Microsoft wants to force me to use .NET. But I'm a headstrong rebel ;D.

What do you need to change? Do you want to try to use CSS instead of Tables? Because it isn't strictly necessary.

The short answer is- your not doing anything wrong.

WEb developers are notoriously picky about what stuff is used on a page- nowadays it's CSS this and CSS that, but until you learn about CSS it's perfectly safe to ignore it when developing your pages, they won't blow up :)

In fact, CSS isn't really a "better way" either, especially when you don't understand it. It adds a lot of ability to change the style of your entire page at once, so just take it as a recommendation.


I apologize if I seemed harsh in my criticisms, I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings, and I'm sorry if I did. And I would especially feel bad for putting you in poor health. In fact, looking back, the two web pages I've created so far were both pretty bad, and I just gave up on maintaining it due to lack of time.

So really, I was far to harsh in saying your page was designed by a beginner. In fact it looks fairly good- it's just when compared to other sites that use all these fancy doodads like CSS that make it look that way.

Now that I have a bit more time for this response, I'll try to put the responses you've quoted in your original post into laymens terms:

the first response:
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" text="" " is only supported by a few browsers. Probably Internet Explorer. Using text="#ff000" is NOT using CSS! I also can not find any validity for using text=""! Just shows you how sloppy some browsers are at parsing a web page. IE is STILL about 10 years behind the standards. People like using it because it is so forgiving of very sloppy code.
Whoever posted this can be safely ignored- they are mostly right, but they are being far to critical of your page. Short story is if you don't feel like learning CSS right now, you don't have to- you're NOT doing anything wrong- Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. If it works, stick with it- when somebody says, "you're doing it wrong, do this instead", it's better to read it as a recommendation.


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Here is what someone said about the background
UPDATE: You can use background="" like that. It's bg="" that is wrong for HTML. It would be in CSS: url(lightblue.jpg) no-repeat center scroll;". That sets your background color to green while image loads, loads image in center of container, doesn't repeat image and allows content AND image to scroll together. All that in one line for CSS!

What does that mean about it sets the background to green. I don't understand how it will be green, because I put lightblue. How can lightblue be green? I don't understand this.

I believe he's scolding you for using the "background" attribute in your BODY tag. And then goes on to suggest some completely unnecessary method of doing the exact same thing in CSS that they think is "better". when in fact for some reason they are indicating CSS code for using an image for the background- they are saying that your background will appear green for a moment before the person viewing the page downloads the image. Not sure what image they could be referring to.



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Also, when they say to start with the body tag. How can I start with the body tag, when the head and title tag, and all is suppose to go before the body tag?
I don't know. you're quite right- Head,Title, and HTML should be before BODY.


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people keep saying CSS is not required, but then some keep saying yes.
It's not required- you know that- your site works, right  ;D

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Trying to get you to do your links with CSS as the order DOES matter and it is not recommended to style the body tag with all that garbage when CSS does it so much neater and quicker. With a link to the style sheet, ALL pages will have the links and body style the same so your pages look familiar as people navigate your pages.

you can easily ignore this. CSS is NOT a requirement, and I don't swear much myself, but if anybody says otherwise- they are full of it. It's "recommended" to use CSS, but you don't have to- just learn it slowly, don't rush into it thinking you absolutely need to add it to your sites. As you learn how to use CSS you will think of ways of incorporating it into your site to make it cooler- but in the meantime there is absolutely nothing wrong with using HTML styling- after all- that was the original purpose of HTML- CSS is just a completely optional useful feature.


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Also what do they mean when they say style is an attribute and goes inside of what you are styling?

Here is a page of mine that has the lightblue.jpg for the background, and it's showing up. So, I don't understand about the Green background
http://www.geocities.com/amytvfan99/theapprentice.html

I haven't got a clue either! they seem to be pulling this "green" out of thin air. I don't know where these people are- but I sure as heck wouldn't be taking advice from them if they cannot recognize colours LOL.



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Here is the main page of one of my sites I've done on reality shows. I still don't understand how to change the errors or where to go to fix them. I'm not understanding it at all on what I'm doing wrong here.
http://www.geocities.com/amytvfan99/

You're not doing it wrong. your just doing it wrong, according to them. They seem to think EVERYBODY should learn CSS. You can safely ignore their whining until you're ready to learn it.





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The other thing I get confused on is determining where links end at. Like do they end with index.html
or do they end with .com
.net

That's what gets confusing on if I'm typing in the correct url, such as links. I thought links and urls are the same thing? Are they not?
a URL is simply the web specification- for example what you would type in the address bar. a "link" takes to to a URL. as an analogy you could think of the link as a taxi that takes you to the address (URL) that was placed in the <A> tag.

And finally, I do sincerely apologize. I was an *censored*. I didn't mean to be so mean or critical, sometimes I just forget the whole reason I come here is to help people, not crush their spirits, and it looks like that's what I did.

Now then, let's see if we can help youy learn CSS then!

knowing you don't have to though- do you still want to?  ;D





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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 10:56:59 AM »
and then explain to me, why if my codes are wrong, why are things showing up at all? If it's wrong, then I don't understand why things I've put on my sites are showing up.

The simple answer for this is:
When your site isn't coded properly, the browser loads the page, it comes to a bit where it doesn't have a clue what you're after doing, so it guesses as best it can. That's all there is too it, but it makes the browser load the page slower as it has to guess what to display and how to display it.

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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 11:23:18 AM »
... it comes to a bit

I think this is just as frustrating for them- where is this "bit" and how do they fix it?
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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2009, 11:34:24 AM »
Well, the OP did say:

Everyone keeps thinking that I am just beginning to create websites. That is what I'm trying to explain.

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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2009, 12:36:17 PM »
here's the thing- they appear to be a beginner by today's standards- a page like that in 1995 would have been called professional... you should have seen the Microsoft web page *BLEH*
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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2009, 12:48:20 PM »
About ten years ago my first web site was super cool.Then I started learning HTML and everything went downhill from there.Now my sites are unfinished mismatch of this and that and very dull and boring.  :'(
Any good web site is the result of planning and making a structure and paying no attention to the details of the code until you get to the point where you just have to have some extra feature. We call that top-down programming. All the low-level stuff already has been done by somebody. What makes your site unique is the content, the content and the content. Anybody can add dancing bears.  ;D

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Re: Maybe someone can help clear the confusion up on what I'm doing wrong
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2009, 02:36:26 PM »
Yes, the Internet is definitely evolving, and fast. With all the new technologies available, it's almost impossible for Web designers to keep up with the trends.

A few years ago you'd visit sites and say "How did they do that?" It seems to be happening a lot more often now.

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2009, 01:16:29 AM »
First, I would like to say that I really enjoy creating/designing things. The other thing too is that I am physically disabled and have more

than one chronic illness I'm dealing with, so can't do things that involve anything much physical strength in anyway.

I will also try not to confuse anyone with my questions, but sometimes of course is a bit hard to figure out ways to ask questions so that I

don't confuse others on what I'm trying to figure out, or maybe no way to do whatever I'm trying to do.

I also really enjoy helping others out too in life for free anytime I can. It helps me feel better whenever I can help others out. Plus since I

enjoy creating things, I thought well, I'll try learning to create a web page, and start with learning how to change colors of things too and

add links to other web sites, and if it actually works when someone clicks on the link, like it takes them to the site I put in, then I figure, I

must be understanding something here. 
Now people keep telling me to dump Geocities and stuff like that. I don't understand why I need to dump them. Also, our internet

provider is Bellsouth.
One thing I thought, is that you have to sign up somewhere in order to create a web page? Is that not correct? Like sign up at Geocities,

Angelfire, whatever and start creating it and uploading files- pictures, stuff like that and then arrange them on the page along with the

text(writing, typing) and links to other sites or other portions of
my site.
One of the other things I sometimes get confused about is when I go to file manager, and I see a file index.htm
Do I need to delete that file and put in an index.html file instead?
That is one thing I still get confused about what that means exactly.

I also keep trying to still understand why I can't use Microsoft Word, Microsoft Office Excel, or Microsoft Office PowerPoint to create a

website with.
See, I took a class an online computer class at the college here a few years ago, which actually is why my computer is so messed up with

so much spyware and all, and still messed up from things. I'm having a terrible time still getting rid of it.
See, one of the first assignments was to download AIM and then give the teacher our screen name. Which this MBKWBar Toolbar came

through with the download and installed itself in Internet Explorer. So, every time I open Internet Explorer, it keeps flooding me with pop

up ads and then of course would crash the computer.
Called a repairman to help. 
That was the first time both me and my mom had heard of spyware and ad-aware.
We had heard of viruses, and I had Norton and was updating it all the time.
The repairmen we keep don't seem to be able to help much, and then put Mozilla on the computer, knowing I need to use Internet

Explorer for my class I had just signed up with and will lose the money too.
Here is a link http://acc.pjc.edu/~llemley/to the class I took though, I wasn't sure if anyone could look at it and then you will see

the type of things I learned in the class, and maybe be able to help me figure out if I wanted to learn anymore computer stuff, what type of

classes I would take.

Oh, and the background thing, the lightblue.jpg thing is a file. The thing that people keep telling me will be green, which you can see it's not

green. LOL, Here is the link so you can see http://www.geocities.com/amytvfan99/lightblue.jpg

Sorry too if I'm asking too many questions or anything. I just want to make sure I understand all the computer stuff since it can get

confusing at times.
See, the way I read about how to put a picture for a background, it says to go to the advanced editor and then put the image in the body

tag. It showed an example. So, I always thought I was doing it right.
<body background="lightblue.jpg">
since that is the body tag? Am I understanding that right when they show it like that? It said if the picture is in the same directory, that you

don't have to put all the other stuff. I hope I'm understanding directories right too.
Is a directory the same thing as a folder? Like would the file manager be considered a directory or a folder?
The other thing I keep trying to make sure I understand is what does it mean about when it says tags are used to specify mark-up regions?

I want to make sure I understand that correct.

The only other thing I noticed somewhere, is it says if you use Notepad or Crimson Editor(which I've never heard of). I have Notepad

though. It says to save the file by selecting menu and then save. Well, I don't have anything that says menu. So, I don't know how I'm

suppose to do that.
Plus if I need to make something bold, or add other things, notepad wont allow me to do so. So, I don't know how I'm to create a website

using notepad. It wont allow me to do half the things my assignments want me to do.
The other thing I sometimes get confused about is how exactly to type out a url, or a link to a website. Like, what type of brackets or

symbols, quotation marks do I need to put around them? Some places I read, I see people type it out with parenthasees ( )
(http://www.geocities.com")
Sometimes I see people put the greater than less than brackets <"http://www.geocities.com">
Then sometimes I see people use other brackets the curly braces { }or these other ones  [ ]
and some people for tags, they put a ' ' around the word. Like I noticed for this div tag that I've never heard of, some people do it like this

1. <'div'></div> and some just do it like this
2. <div></div>
Which is correct? #1 or #2? or neither?
and then where exactly in my document do I insert the div tags? In place of the word table?
I tried millions of times, but everytime I take out the word table, and type in div
nothing will show up at all on my pages that I already have layed out using tables, and I put the pictures and the text, and stuff in the cells in

the table. For example, if I want a 3 column page, with a picture in the middle, and text or links(urls) to other portions of the site, I put the

picture <img src="jtt.jpg"> in the middle cell, and the links Geocities in the right and left cells of

the table, and it shows up lined up nicely.
Here is an example of what I usually do.
<table>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
</table>

The tr is in the brackets < > is the starting row tag in the table, td's are the cells. So, <td> the starting cell tag, and then the links in that first

cell, and the closing tag </td>
then the middle cell the 2nd <td> you see the which is the starting tag for that cell, I put after that right > the picture or image tag
<img src="jtt.jpg">then the closing cell tag </td>
then in the right cell start with the starting cell tag <td> and put the links in that cell, and put the closing cell tag </td>
and then the closing row tag </tr> and then the closing table tag </table>
I tried millions of times to change to div, but I don't understand how to do it. When I tried I failed. I tried it millions of times and nothing

will show up at all.
I tried putting in
<div>
</div>
<div>
</div>
<div>
</div>
<div>
</div>

The reason I put so many of those div tags like that, is because if I can't use a table, then what do I put in place of the row and cell tags in

the table? That is what I do not understand, and it is stressing me out so much. I keep reading all over how to do it and everytime I try

nothing will work. I guess because I'm not understanding it. So, I can't change something if I don't understand it.

Since my nephew creates websites, I asked him if he has heard of CSS. He hasn't heard of it either. Then when I keep reading external,

means not in the computer? Is that why I can't find any of these files in the file manager?
Anyways, like I said before, I do really enjoy creating things. But I also don't have the money to go out and buy all this expensive stuff that

possibly would allow me to make more fancier sites. Especially since I can't work due to my health. I'm actually on disability.

The other thing, in that class I took that I got the toolbar from, I did get an A in the class, and finished it before the term was even over.

Was kind of surprising due to all the problems I ran into with things not working right for me. I think that was due to the spyware and all

causing things not to work right. Which maybe if I tell you all what it was that didn't work right, can tell me if you think it was the spyware

that caused it not to work right.
One of the things that didn't work right for me is one of the assignments was when using Microsoft Word, we had to change the font to

Clarendon Condensed. Well, I did not have that font available. So, I couldn't do that. The teacher writes back saying to pick something

close to it. Which one of my other big questions to her, and I didn't ask it though, but is how to change it to something similar when I don't

even know what it's suppose to look like in the first place. I also don't understand why I didn't have that font available either.
Any ideas as to why?
One of the other things that didn't work right either and still not sure if I understand is when I was using Excel to do one of my assignments,

I had ##### instead of the numbers that I had typed in the cells, and the teacher writes back saying the reason it has the # signs is because

my cell size isn't big enough to hold the big number, and that all I need to do is widen the column. Which my big question about that is what

size do I need to put in for the column width? I don't understand that. Anyone know what size we need to set width and even height for?
Plus also using Excel, there was this Goal Seek thing we had to do, and I couldn't choose it because it was grayed out, so I couldn't  choose it. The teacher writes back saying she doesn't understand why it didn't work, and asks if I install the program properly.
Which yes, I did install it properly, and tried to remind her that I got hit with spyware and stuff, so I think that could be a big part of why things are not working properly.

Well, I'm going to bed.
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One thing I thought, is that you have to sign up somewhere in order to create a web page? Is that not correct?

Yes, for free websites you usually have to sign up - just creating a basic account. If you have a domain name of your own, you have to pay, usually with a credit card etc.

One of the other things I sometimes get confused about is when I go to file manager, and I see a file index.htm
Do I need to delete that file and put in an index.html file instead?
That is one thing I still get confused about what that means exactly.

index.htm and index.htm are the same thing really. Modern Web servers tend to stick to three lettered file extensions though. You site's homepage has to be called "index.html", "index.htm", "default.html", "default.htm", "index.php", "index.phtml", "default.php", and so on, so the Web server can recognise it as your homepage.

I also keep trying to still understand why I can't use Microsoft Word, Microsoft Office Excel, or Microsoft Office PowerPoint to create a website with.

In Word it is possible to create a website, but Excel and Powerpoint it would be quite hard if not impossible. It's just the software really - Word is used for word processing and typing, Excel is used for spreadsheets and accounts, and Powerpoint is used to create visual presentations.

which actually is why my computer is so messed up with so much spyware and all, and still messed up from things. I'm having a terrible time still getting rid of it.

Visit the Computer Viruses board and we will get your computer sorted.
Read the information posted here: http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,46313.0.html
Then start a new topic here: http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php?action=post;board=7.0, refer to this topic, and post the three logs. A malware removal specialist will then assist you from there.

See, the way I read about how to put a picture for a background, it says to go to the advanced editor and then put the image in the body tag. It showed an example. So, I always thought I was doing it right.
<body background="lightblue.jpg">
since that is the body tag? Am I understanding that right when they show it like that? It said if the picture is in the same directory, that you don't have to put all the other stuff. I hope I'm understanding directories right too. Is a directory the same thing as a folder? Like would the file manager be considered a directory or a folder? The other thing I keep trying to make sure I understand is what does it mean about when it says tags are used to specify mark-up regions?

Try this: <body style="background: url(lightblue.jpg) #FFFFFF repeat;">
See here: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_background.asp

The directories -  basically, if the image is in a folder called "images", then the link to the image would be "/images/lightblue.jpg". It's the same as a folder.

The filemanager isn't a folder or directory. It's a Web page(s) which allows you to view all your site's files and folders.

Tags - HTML tags are all the different elements. e.g. <body>, <p>, <div>, <html> are all opening HTML tags, and </body>, </p>, </div>, </html> are all closing HTML tags.

The only other thing I noticed somewhere, is it says if you use Notepad or Crimson Editor(which I've never heard of). I have Notepad though. It says to save the file by selecting menu and then save. Well, I don't have anything that says menu. So, I don't know how I'm suppose to do that.
Plus if I need to make something bold, or add other things, notepad wont allow me to do so.

When you are finished with a file in Notepad, go to File > Save As. Then type the name (what you want to call it), and then select the file type. For example: for a HTML web page, you could call it "mypage.html". In Notepad there is only one file extension available in the drop-down box, which is .txt. This is just a plain text file.

There are two ways to create Web pages. A WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) editor, which does everything for you - you just place things where you want them, change colour etc., and there is a normal text editor like Notepad. With Notepad, you have to type all the code out yourself. This, in my opinion, is the right way to do it. But if you are just starting off, a WYSIWYG editor would be better. Nvu is a nice editor and can be found here: http://www.net2.com/nvu/index.html - and free!

The other thing I sometimes get confused about is how exactly to type out a url, or a link to a website. Like, what type of brackets or symbols, quotation marks do I need to put around them? Some places I read, I see people type it out with parenthasees ( ) ....

I'll be completely honest and say that I think you're taking on too much all of a sudden. You need to slow down a bit, start from the beginning and take your time learning the basics.

Like I said before, visit W3School's HTML section and go through the pages slowly but surely. The best way to go through the tutorial is the have Notepad open while you're reading, so you can test it as you're going.

It will take time, and you'll never be completely finished learning. But if you do ever need help, especially with some more advanced topic, be sure to come back here and we'll help as best we can.

Good luck.  ;)

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2009, 04:38:33 PM »
I give up on this. I don't know what else to do. I thought I knew how to create sites but I guess not. I have nobody who can help me. I try and try to change but it wont work with any CSS. The computer wont allow me to do anything. I had my mom look at it with me too and she doesn't understand it either. Do we need to know it if we aren't going to create a website? Like if we are going to other sites? That what I don't understand.
And I've tried checking other sites on the error thing to see if I could figure it out and they all seem to be wrong too, so I don't know how to learn things correct if others have it wrong too.
The other big thing, I keep trying to get someone to go and look at the sites I have already done already and take it from there. I keep trying to explain that I'm not just beginning to create websites. I just needed a little help with one little issue, and everyone thinking I'm just learning to create sites. That is why I'm giving the urls to my sites so people can see all the stuff I already know how to do. I know how to put pictures, and all that stuff on the site. What else is there I'm doing wrong? If I try to change anything, it doesn't work at all. I have the pictures in the file manager of Geocities. I login and then upload the pictures, jpg files, so meaning they have a period .jpg and something before, so like jtt.jpg
Jtt short for Jonathan Taylor Thomas is how I do it after I've scanned the picture and then I give it the .jpg extension. Then I upload it to the filemanager, and then put them on the page along with words(text, or links to other portions of the site or other peoples Jonathan Taylor Thomas Sites). So, like I'll do a page and call it jttlinks.html and that page will have links to other people's Jonathan's sites.

I keep trying that site you all give me but I can't get it to work properly. I also don't understand why I need to dump Geocities? I edit my site through them. People keep telling me to dump them. Why do I need to dump them?
Here is one of my pages with the lightblue.jpg file, and I don't have it the way you have it below. If I try and change it in any way, it does not show up at all.
http://www.geocities.com/amytvfan99/bigbrother5.html

I know you all keep saying it will take months to learn the stuff, which please, I already know how to create websites. I'm not just beginning. I've been doing them since 1995. I still don't understand why also all of a sudden why I can't use the programs like Microsoft Word, Powerpoint, all that stuff to make a web page. It's got all the stuff needed, and a spellchecker, all that stuff in it.
I guess my teacher lied to us when she has us use those things to make a web page? I don't understand then.
Another big thing is that my nephew creates web pages too for people for a job. He has never heard of CSS either, and uses Microsoft Word, Myspace. I went all through my disk for the class I took at college, and nothing at all about CSS or CSS files. Then when I read it again, it says external. So, that is why I can't find any CSS files at all in the file manager.
Also, just back in September I got sick with Hepatitis A, and one of the things that happend is it caused me to lose my memory, and I'm having to try and relearn so many things in life. I also have more than one chronic illness I'm already dealing with and one of the things causes memory problems anyways. Plus stress is not good for me either and makes my health worse.


I used to enjoy designing web pages, but now that I find out I'm maybe doing something wrong, but can't figure out what or how to fix it and still keep the pictures and everything where it already is on the pages without messing everything or the computer up.
Here is one of my sites I've done with frames. The first site I tried with doing frames,
and you can see what I already know how to do. Then it wont waste my time either going back over stuff I already know how to do.
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/8349/index.html



The pictures seem to show up, and the text(words), when you click on the links they seem to work too. So, I don't know what I need to change in my codes.
If I change anything, it wont have the correct file names anymore. Geocities doesn't seem to have an images folder that I can put things in. Angelfire seemed to have one. I just logged into Geocities and then upload the pictures into the filemanager. Then open the editor and then put my pictures on the page, and type things out.
The only other thing I started running into right before Christmas too is when I try and save files, it says I need to have an .htm or .html extension, which I did have them typed out. So, I dont know what is going on. I'd put like hsm3links.html
and it says invalid filename. Then I try leaving the extension off and typing just hsm3links and it says I need an .htm or .html extension.
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are you trying to prove that CSS doesn't even exist or what?

any of the MS office programs can save their documents as HTML files.

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I know you all keep saying it will take months to learn the stuff, which please, I already know how to create websites. I'm not just beginning. I've been doing them since 1995.

No- knowing how to create websites and knowing HTML itself are two completely different things. Like I said before your pages are typical of what you can see on the free web hosts (geocities, angelfire, Tripod, etc).

Now you insist on posting the same thing over and over again that we've already explained; like I said, it's as if your trying to prove Cascading Stylesheets don't exist, which is not something your going to convince me or kpac of in the near future.
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Yes, but I don't have any Cascading Style Sheets and don't have anything that will allow me to make one either.
The only thing I was trying to get a little help on back around July/August is this tables allignment issue, and someone starts saying something about CSS codes?
Then say it's external. No wonder I can't find any in my computer if they are external, means not in the computer, isnt that right?
Sorry if you thought I'm trying to convince anyone that whatever these CSS things are don't exisit.
If I am doing something wrong, I have to first understand what is wrong, and everytime I've tried anything different with the codes, it doesn't work at all.
Plus the other thing i don't understand, when I hit view source, on like every website out there, it has tables for the layout. I'm still not understanding why all of a sudden we can't put a table on the sites anymore. My assignments had us do that, and had us use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Access(which I don't have anymore, was only a trial version and would have to pay if I wanted it anymore). I do think I have Microsoft Frontpage on the computer, plus I have a scanner. Is that the CSS thing? The scanner? That is the only other thing I can think of since it's external.

But at the moment I'm just under so much stress and all with all this, and scared my sites are all going to all break one day too. I don't know how to fix the stuff. I've read all over and everything I try messes it up and stuff.
We already have a domain, Bellsouth is our Isp.






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Yes, but I don't have any Cascading Style Sheets and don't have anything that will allow me to make one either.

Notepad.

Like I said, visit W3Schools. You need to start from the beginning if you want to do it right.

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The teacher wants me to use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint. not Notepad.
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2009, 02:51:11 PM »
Yes, but the teacher wants us to use Microsoft Word, Excel, and PowerPoint for our assignments. Not notepad.
I can't even get that w3school site to come up for me anyways. I keep trying and it says it's not available on my server.
I even asked my nephew who was over the other day to help, and he is taking a class and doing web page design, and he has never heard of CSS either. He uses Microsoft Word also in his class right now, same as I did too.
Here is the class I take, the site is here, and you will see how the assignments are based on Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, all that stuff
http://acc.pjc.edu/~llemley/
Here is the direct link for the assignments
http://uwf.edu/clemley/cgs1570w/assignment.htm

The other big thing too is Notepad doesn't have a spellchecker or anything like that built into it, and I can't add any pictures or anything. It wont allow me to change the fonts or anything like that like the other software will allow you to change stuff like that. The other software has buttons you click and choose from the drop down list to change the stuff and check.
I did start from the beginning years ago when I started creating the websites. That is why I would like someone to please answer a few questions for me, if the codes are wrong, why are my pictures, and everything else showing up on the site where I put them? Back when I first started learning to make sites, the pictures and stuff did not show up right, and I got lots of help from people until the codes were correct.

I'm sorry, I don't understand and I just want to kill myself right now.
I'm going to kill myself now.




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you're not learning to make web pages in those courses. That's computer applications/concepts- you're learning to use the program in general.

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The other big thing too is Notepad doesn't have a spellchecker or anything like that built into it, and I can't add any pictures or anything. It wont allow me to change the fonts or anything like that like the other software will allow you to change stuff like that.

there may not be a spellchecker, but basic, beginner-level HTML tags include FONT and IMG, which will change your fonts and include images, respectively.

you're other queries regarding the "codes" working/not working has been answered at least once.

Additionally- once last thing that reaffirms that these classes are not web design courses would not only be the lack of using either notepad, dreamweaver or... *shudder* frontpage, but additionally that Office 2000 was the first version to include the ability to even save a document/spreadsheet/presentation as a web page.
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Darn BC. I was nearly finished this long, long post. I'll post it anyway. ;D

and he has never heard of CSS either. He uses Microsoft Word also in his class right now, same as I did too.
Here is the class I take, the site is here, and you will see how the assignments are based on Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, all that stuff

CSS is an important part of web design. I don't mean to be insulting, but I wouldn't call someone a web designer if they've never heard of CSS, let alone used it.

The other big thing too is Notepad doesn't have a spellchecker or anything like that built into it, and I can't add any pictures or anything. It wont allow me to change the fonts or anything like that like the other software will allow you to change stuff like that. The other software has buttons you click and choose from the drop down list to change the stuff and check.

To become a skilled, professional web designer, you need to do it the right way. A "WYSIWYG" editor is not the way to do that. Using Notepad is the best way to become good at designing. You have control of what you are doing. An editor like Dreamweaver or Frontpage inserts unwanted and useless code into the page which makes things non-future proof, browser incompatibale, and increases page load times.

if the codes are wrong, why are my pictures, and everything else showing up on the site where I put them? Back when I first started learning to make sites, the pictures and stuff did not show up right, and I got lots of help from people until the codes were correct.

I think I explained this already. When you don't code your site properly, the browser basically guesses what it thinks is right and displays it the way it sees fit. This is another way to slow down load times.

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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2009, 03:32:53 PM »
Sorry if I asked for any help here. I thought it would be a place I could get a bit of help on some of my questions.
Sorry, I'm not understanding what you mean about some of the things the codes not working right.
Yes, I know how to put a picture on a page, using the image tag.
<img src="jtt.jpg">
I also understand how to do the fonts by typing out
<font></font>
to bold something

italics

Paragraph
<p></p>
links, urls,
<a>[/url]
center
<center></center>
blink
<blink></blink>
<html></html>
<css></css>
<div></div>
<title></title>
<body></body>
<table></table>
<frames></frames>
Is anything wrong with the codes above?
I have the starting and closing tags above.

Like I said, I give up, I am not doing this for a job or anything either. With my health I can't work anyways. I'm on disability. So, I don't even have the expensive money to get all the stuff needed.
If we aren't learning to create a website, do we need to know CSS to use the internet? I don't see why we need to understand it if we aren't actually creating a web page. Just going to other sites and communicating through email and everything, and the browsers.





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I work in a coffee/donut shop.
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All of your codes are right, except <a> and [/url]

<a> is right, but [url] is forum BBCode.

Code: [Select]
<a href="http://www.starlite-media.com/">My Site!</a>
If we aren't learning to create a website, do we need to know CSS to use the internet? I don't see why we need to understand it if we aren't actually creating a web page. Just going to other sites and communicating through email and everything, and the browsers.

CSS isn't neccesary. But, it saves a lot of hassle, and is relatively easy to learn. It is the way forward.

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Yes, I always thought that was the correct way to type out a url. I don't understand what is wrong with that.
Our isp is bellsouth, so our domain, is bellsouth. Why do we need to change anything or dump them?
One place I do have to use spellcheckers for is I create quizzes on sites like funtrivia.
They say please always use a spellchecker.
Both me and my mom read the definition of CSS, but she doesn't understand it either.
Then when it says external file, doesn't that mean it's not even in the computer? That is what I thought external meant? See today, my mom is picking up an external hard drive so that we can back up everything on my computer due to all the hacking and stuff.
That is another reason my notepad program isn't working anymore. Last time I tried to use it, someone tries hacking through it and typing over my stuff. Yes, that is what started happening. Some other strange thing started coming through, something like someone was trying to write someone a message about a bill. Sounded sort of like they were trying to send a message to their lawyer, because it said your honor in it.

One thing my mom mentioned to me on maybe what you mean about CSS being easier, is she said she could do her bookkeeping on the computer, but with all the problems computers have, if the computer was down for any reason, then you can't get your work done.
One of the other things I noticed below, is you mentioned how the Microsoft Office programs do allow you to save things as webpage/html format, which yes, we did do that in the class. The page I sent you, was just some of the stuff we did, but not all. Alot of the assignments had us save it as a webpage and then open it up in the webbrowser to view it. We had to download templates, all that stuff. It was an online computer class.
See, I also want to someday learn how to make a computer game, but I actually saw how much this one class cost, and I guess I don't want to learn that bad. It cost like $4,000.00 to take the class. I'm trying to figure out why it costs that much.
I read this other site actually about Javascript stuff, and looks like I did that too already in the class, and didn't even realize that until now. I was reading stuff about javascript and it's talking about if statements. Which we did stuff like that.






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still can't get that site to load right
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2009, 11:39:44 AM »
I keep having problems getting that site to load properly.

The thing I'm still trying to figure out, here is some other pages on assignments I had to do in the class. If anyone gets a chance, and see if you can get to them and help me understand, am I misunderstanding something here?
http://uwf.edu/clemley/cgs1570w/notes/06%20-%20create_webpage_using_word.htm

http://uwf.edu/clemley/cgs1570w/notes/13%20-%20create_webpages_using_excel.htm

I thought those assignments above, were creating web pages. Was it not?

Plus like I mentioned in my previous post, we also had to download design templates.
It was also an online computer class, and we had this interactive Cd that had labs and stuff on it to do too.
The only other big problem that happened is the class caused my whole computer to get hacked, and it's still having a terrible time due to the spyware and stuff that came through with the download of AIM. That was one of the first assignments, was to download AIM, and someone installed an MBKWBar Toolbar in my Internet Explorer. Then every time I opened up Internet Explorer, I would get flooded with all these pop up ads, which would crash the computer and freeze it up.

That was the first time me and my mom both heard of spyware and all that stuff. I did have Norton Anti virus then too. We had heard of viruses though, but spyware was new to both of us. We called a computer repairman. That is how we learned about the spyware. The only other problem is he said something about try not to use Internet Explorer, but I had to use it for the class since it was online. He put Mozilla on the computer, but that browser wouldn't work for the class. I couldn't get the chat room to work with Mozilla. Since it was online class, we had to go to a chat room every Wednesday night for part of the class participation.

Right now, I'm having to reformat my whole computer. I found a friend who is able to help me with everything. So far, none of the repairmen we have hired has been able to help get things working right, and then keep messing other stuff up too, like usernames and passwords. Accounts I use to be able to get into before the repairmen worked on my computer, I can no longer get into anymore. It says windows doesn't recognize the screen names anymore. Any reason as to why that would happen?






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There are numerous tutorials available on the net.

Google
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You keep telling us that you have spyware and virus problems, but I have already told you a way to get rid of them. Also, this thread is now getting off topic. Create a new topic in the Virus and Spyware section to address your problem and keep all chat about it in there.

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I finally figured something out
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2009, 11:55:10 PM »
First, sorry about getting the getting off topic.

anyways, I think I figured out some of the confusion going on. I did find this one site I was able to get to come up and talking about stylesheets for mobile phones. No wonder I'm confused on all this stuff.
I don't have a mobile phone in the first place.
I don't even have a cellphone either. It's talking about iphones also, at this site I found below. Then decided that maybe I'd find some more information if I type in css is used for mobile phones and found some more stuff that clears up the whole problem.
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/returnofthemobilestylesheet

I don't even have a laptop or notebook or one of those netbook computers I keep seeing. All I have is a desktop.



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Okay. Let's start from the top.

anyways, I think I figured out some of the confusion going on. I did find this one site I was able to get to come up and talking about stylesheets for mobile phones.

Stylesheets for mobile devices are different, so don't confuse them.

I don't have a mobile phone in the first place.
I don't even have a cellphone either.

Same thing. They're just called cell phones in the US.

It's talking about iphones also, at this site I found below.

The iPhone is just a cell phone (or mobile phone) created by Apple.

I don't even have a laptop or notebook or one of those netbook computers I keep seeing. All I have is a desktop.

It's still a PC.

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Yes, I understand that iPhone is also a cell phone.
I don't have any type of cell phones.
my mom has one.

yes, i understand a desktop is a PC. about a year or so ago we switched from just regular dial up internet with Earthlink to Bellsouth DSL. My nephew and his dad came over and did all the setup of everything. The router and modem are both actually on my computer and we have wired network, going out to my mom's computer. Of course we ran into so many problems getting things working. We had Bellsouth working on my computer, but my mom's wouldn't connect. Then of course we went through so much stuff people kept telling us to do to the computers, and it had nothing to do with the computers at all. It turned out to be something wrong with the wiring in the wall. The technician my mom called got it working.



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I give up on this. I don't know what else to do. I thought I knew how to create sites but I guess not.

Yes.. five it up.
But, it you just want something to do, forget the HTML stuff. It is a moving target. If you like to read and design things. get a book on PHP. To use it, you will need your own site, which you can get for under $1 a month. Lots of cool stuff is done in PHP. Like this site, I think, is written in PHP.

Or get a program like Dream weaver, but avoid doing the HTML yourself. And ignore what anybody says about low level design. Dreamweave can do some wonderful tables that will blow you away. Don't let them tell you not to use tables. If it works and it looks good, that is what counts.

But if you want to do the nuts and bolts sore of thing. I still think you should learn PHP and forget what you know about HTML.

CSS is OK if you don not do it yourself. Let the code  generator do it. That's what computers are for, we humans should not have to do the grunt work.

Again, take a look at PHP. Large structures are done in PHP, not HTML.

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Yes.. five it up.
But, it you just want something to do, forget the HTML stuff. It is a moving target. If you like to read and design things. get a book on PHP. To use it, you will need your own site, which you can get for under $1 a month. Lots of cool stuff is done in PHP. Like this site, I think, is written in PHP.

Nonsense. PHP on it's own can't do anything. Yes, this forum is built on PHP and a MySQL database, but it needs HTML to format everything. HTML has to be used in some way or other for designing websites.

This thread is going on too long and is fit to be locked.

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lol, PHP is just a server side programming that pushes HTML to the browser... so I'm pretty sure HTML would still be a necessary skill... as well as a server that supported it.
I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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lol, PHP is just a server side programming that pushes HTML to the browser... so I'm pretty sure HTML would still be a necessary skill... as well as a server that supported it.

Yes, and  knowing how to use a can opener a needed skill.

His question was about making great web sites. He already knows some HTML.
He needs to learn PHP and SQL.

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and forget what you know about HTML.

then this means?
I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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