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huh?

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I see that Steorn scam is coming unravelled... Perpetual motion machines are impossible. End of story.

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despite the fact that several have been made. everything needs a kick start, but there are things that can power themselves once started.
but ok. we must live in parallel universes.

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despite the fact that several have been made.

Such as? I am not aware of ANY perpetual motion machines that have ever been made.

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It's easy to Google, but here's an example anyway.
The "water screw" perpetual motion machine from a 1660 woodcut. Water falling from the tray at the top of the machine spins the water wheel (left), which powers, through a series of gears and drive rods, a screw pump that returns the water to the tray. Friction would have removed most of the energy from this system very quickly, reducing the flow of water until the wheel stopped.
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Not the best example, but an example nonetheless.

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Lol Steorn. "Technical difficulties"
yeah i'm sure...

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It's easy to Google, but here's an example anyway.

Yes I know. I think we were at cross purposes before, I meant that there have never been any successful perpetual motion machines. That is, machines that remained in motion perpetually. (How would anyone prove it?) There have been, as you have noted, any number of wheels with hinged flaps, "magic magnet" devices, etc. None have ever remained in motion for more than a few hours.

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well if you were to try to make a perpetual motion device, i think magnets and water are the way to go. for example, you could have  ramp shaped like  U but not with the vertical parts, have a metal ball rolling from the left side to the right side, in time with a magnet swinging from a wire on the right side which will attract the ball, and will make the magnet come towards the ball each time it swings, meaning, if you get your timing right, you can have a magnet that swings and a ball that rolls.
if you get what i mean. that was just an example and i didn't really think about it, it also just used magnets, but ok.

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Air resistance would slow the swinging magnet.

Anyway there is this thing called the second law of thermodynamics.

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let's just save ourselves some trouble and make our own laws.

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Scientific laws are descriptive, not prescriptive like human laws. That is, they are derived from observations and experiments, not made up because someobody thinks they are cool.

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lol i was joking

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Anyway there is this thing called the second law of thermodynamics.

I got busted for this once....3 years hard time.