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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2010, 09:54:45 PM »
quite a few websites are too noisy for my opinion, with too many elements dancing, drawing your attention and distracting you. Call me old-fashioned, but I just need the raw, naked content and little else.

I agree, but that's how most sites make their money so it will be around for a long time.

And it's a safe bet that there are people out there trying to find ways around Noscript.

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2010, 10:11:42 PM »
And it's a safe bet that there are people out there trying to find ways around Noscript.

Except... there are no ways around it. aside from <not> using script, which makes the "dancing happy blinky fun" stuff a tad difficult.
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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2010, 10:31:26 PM »
I learned a long time ago, usually the hard way, never say never.

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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2010, 10:43:15 PM »
I learned a long time ago, usually the hard way, never say never.

Ok. I guess I better stop believing that it's impossible to run a Virus when a computer is off. never say never, right? My point is, such adages are not exactly designed for edge cases like this. There simply isn't a way around noscript that would allow the script to run. the only way to get a script to run would be to run some other script, which simply will not happen.

I'm not 100% on how noscript works but I would imagine it pretty much disables the browsers script engine entirely.

Are there other ways of doing flashy things? Of course. Flash doesn't require javascript, for example. one might consider that as a "workaround" for noscript.
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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2010, 11:23:07 PM »
If NoScript is so good(and I'm sure it is) why do you suppose that Microsoft doesn't come out with something as good or better? Another thing is; is there not always quite an ongoing battle between Mozilla,IE ,Safari and a few others to be on top?. With the browsers being free (to download), so many good anti-virus programs are also free as well as free firewalls, why couldn't/wouldn't one of the "Big Guys" incorporate all three features(and possibly even more protection) into one browser and run away with the market?.  I had a dream.   


             

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2010, 11:28:23 PM »
The web site indicates that this is a feature that the user can turn on of off. Or set it up to allow only trusted sites to use java script.
http://noscript.net/
But is it not true that you can always run Firefox in safe mode without the need for yet another thing?

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2010, 11:30:30 PM »
If NoScript is so good(and I'm sure it is) why do you suppose that Microsoft doesn't come out with something as good or better?
I don't know. many people say that photoshop is good, why does MS not come with something as good or better? some people say that 3dsmax is a good program, why does MS not come out with something a good or better?

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Another thing is; is there not always quite an ongoing battle between Mozilla,IE ,Safari and a few others to be on top?. With the browsers being free (to download), so many good anti-virus programs are also free as well as free firewalls, why couldn't/wouldn't one of the "Big Guys" incorporate all three features(and possibly even more protection) into one browser
and run away with the market?.
three features? what three features?
Anyway, Ever heard of Netscape? they tried that. it had a IRC client, newsgroup reader, and other useless crap. Firefox was the result of removing the extra crap from the open sourced code. (seamonkey is the fork that didn't remove these features).



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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2010, 11:41:59 PM »
Wow. Didn't mean to hit a sore spot.Sorry I asked.


             

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2010, 11:47:08 PM »
Download the new version of Sea Monkey
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2010, 11:51:49 PM »
Wow. Didn't mean to hit a sore spot.Sorry I asked.

It didn't hit a sore spot, it's just- your basic concept is sound, but when you think about it, it's a rather silly question. I mean, there is competition between say, Editpad and UltraEdit; why doesn't one incorporate the 'best parts" of the other? Simple- because the reason people purchase and use one or the other is almost purely based on UI design, or feature discoverability. sure, JGSoft could change editpad to look more like ultraedit, but there are still those who prefer the "feel" that editpad has. Other then that, they are almost completely feature-par. This sort of thing applies to a good number of other "sectors". for example- Jasc has Paint Shop Pro, which is a fairly powerful image editor. Adobe has Photoshop. Why doesn't Adobe implement the "best features" of Paint shop pro? the main reason is that the "best feature" of PSP is it's lower price, so sometimes you simply cannot implement these "best features".

This applies to browsers as well. The main reason I use firefox, and don't use chrome is because I don't like the whole concept of a "minimalist" approach. any non-trivial application should have a menu bar, it's where you find the functionality. As they have it now (with no menu bar) Chrome's features are not discoverable. Firefox has a good number of menus and toolbars, but it's the visibility of these features that make them discoverable. Anyway... some people prefer that approach, and they use chrome. When you have such a large shift in UI design between the two programs it becomes difficult to implement the best features of one program in another, simply because said features may actually be a part of the UI itself.
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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2010, 11:53:09 PM »
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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2010, 11:54:35 PM »
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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2010, 12:01:09 AM »
i guess I'll have to live with the fact that I asked a sound/silly question.


             

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2010, 01:10:26 PM »
i guess I'll have to live with the fact that I asked a sound/silly question.
Nothing wrong with the question.
It is like asking 'Why can't people get along?'
Good question. Bad answers.

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2010, 07:02:37 PM »
Well let me start out by saying that I didn’t start out to ask a silly question. Obviously I don’t know much about the “browser’ industry. And I also didn’t know that this concept had been tried. What I do know though is in other situations, (whether these companies be large or small) some have taken over other companies by whatever means were available. That’s how monopolies are created.  These companies are more concerned with what the consumer requires, not necessarily what they would like to have and not necessarily what looks good. Just think about the saying ”the only game in town”. This is what I meant. Take what you have, incorporate the good points of your opponents product, spend a few bucks, make the best product available and guess what?  Possibly you would have the browser that everybody wants. What I’m saying now is not a dream; companies are taken over continuously by whatever is deemed necessary. Believe me, I know this first hand!  My question was simply why doesn’t one of the “Big Three/Four or whatever number, make this move?  I suppose that this was answered by saying that it was tried and failed?

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