I think that it's very unfortunate that nathan goes through the trouble of setting these things up for us ,and then someone turns the thread into a circus. On the other hand I suppose that's what clowns do. And hey, don't like it, but I'm starting to get accustomed to it. It's a shame, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have to request patio's assistance once more. 10.9.8.7 etc., etc.