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Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« on: August 08, 2011, 11:18:26 PM »
Today, San Francisco and San Jose. The whole BART system shut down.
Here is the story.
BART stops running trains because of computer glitch
Bay City News
Posted: 08/08/2011 08:24:34 PM PDT
Updated: 08/08/2011 08:53:38 PM PDT

This is the first time anything like this has happened to the Bay Area Rapid Transit. From a computer. A computer!   :o

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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2011, 11:23:36 AM »
If you are a pessimist, you see this as an argument against relying on computers...
If you are an optimist, you feel encouraged by the fact that computers do make errors and take this as a lesson...


Stopping the system is a far better alternative to letting the trains go out of control and possibly crash at the endpoint or go in an infinite loop-this is why system administrators are hired-to make sure the computers are doing their job. Had a system administrator not been present...
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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2011, 12:04:40 PM »
The story is still developing. Clink on the link for possible updates.
Presently, the BART does not yet include San Jose and the silicon Valley. In Silicon valley there are a number of 'expressways' that cross-cross the area and there is a light rail service independent of BART.  In SF you have to transfer from BART to the railroad to go south into the lower peninsula.

The BART system was to benefit mostly San Francisco and the east bay.It went as far as Milpitas, but not into Santa Clara or San Jose. There are tentative plans to include both in a few years. This incident is a huge embarrassment. It brings into question not the use of computers, but in the design of a wide area control system.

If one wee to make an argument, it would be against using a central control that can not maintain functionality when a 'glitch' comes along. Of curse, there are those who say this will never ever happen again. Nobody got hurt. Everybody got mad. Actually, they could let the system run blind, but that would be an accident waiting to happen.

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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 06:43:27 PM »
Update. This 'glitch' is under investigation.
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Posted: 5:01 pm PDT August 9, 2011
OAKLAND, Calif. -- It could take weeks to determine what caused a computer glitch that brought BART service to a halt on Monday evening, a BART spokesman said Tuesday.

BART service was back to normal Tuesday morning after the problem forced BART to stop trains in service and let passengers off.

BART spokesman Linton Johnson explained Tuesday afternoon that the problem occurred when a network router failed. Normally when that happens, the router is supposed to communicate the problem to another router, but for some reason that did not happen Monday, he said.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/28817249/detail.html

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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2011, 09:27:27 PM »
The problem isn;t the PC...the real problem is whoever was in charge for whatever reason didn't build in double or triple redundancy into the system...

Human error....not PC.
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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2011, 10:34:30 PM »
None of the articles go into any detail aside from saying it was a "computer glitch".

People blame computers for their problems far too often.
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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2011, 07:46:17 PM »
The problem isn;t the PC...the real problem is whoever was in charge for whatever reason didn't build in double or triple redundancy into the system...

Human error....not PC.
Exactly, people assume that if anything bad happens that computers will be able to handle it themselves. It's up to the designer of the system to not only make sure it runs smoothly under perfect conditions, but it continues safely if anything should happen.
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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2011, 04:00:46 AM »
People blame computers for their problems far too often.

Yeh, I remember the time we ordered a new washing machine and it never arrived, the company said that "The computer forgot to put it in the van"

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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2011, 04:52:02 AM »
Yeh, I remember the time we ordered a new washing machine and it never arrived, the company said that "The computer forgot to put it in the van"


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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2011, 08:40:26 AM »
I grew up in and around the greater San Francisco Bay Area.What I want to share with you is the irony of BART blunder. Santa Clara county comprises much of what will call 'Silicon Valley'. Bear with me.

 The 'Silicon Valley' area is not presently inside the BART service area. Although the SF peninsula is well-populated, either there was less need, or the people did not want it. It took many years to build the system at great expense .It was first envisioned as early as 1946 but not seriously endeavored until the construction of the original system in the 1970s.

The San Francisco Bay Area Rapid Transit District was formed by the state legislature in 1957, comprising the counties of Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Francisco, and San Mateo. Because Santa Clara County opted instead to first concentrate on its Expressway System, that county was not included in the original BART District.

In 1959, a bill was passed in the state legislature that provided for the entire cost of construction of the tube to be paid for with surplus toll revenues from the San Francisco – Oakland Bay Bridge. This represented a significant portion of the total cost of the system.[3]

The irony is that the many  computer and electronic companies are located in the SF peninsula and their work force does not depend on BART. The computer that caused the 'glitch' may have been made in Silicon Valley.
AMD? Apple?  Cisco? Intel? National Semiconductor?

BTW. The media now are going to pick up on anything to do with BART. It will become a scapegoat.  Already the BART management are doing goofy things. Did you hear they shut down cell-phone service in one area of the BART system? The phone companies were not informed until later. BART travelers could not phone home. BART's reply was they did not want another protest to be organized.

No, I am not making this up. The local media really into it.

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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2011, 11:26:59 AM »
You need to read your research a bit better...the Protest was scheduled by ANON...in protest of a homeless man that was shot by Police....it had nothing to do with a computer glitch in the BART system...
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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2011, 12:52:34 PM »
You need to read your research a bit better...the Protest was scheduled by ANON...in protest of a homeless man that was shot by Police....it had nothing to do with a computer glitch in the BART system...
Thank you for the clarification. Yes, the protest had noting to do with the 'glitch' in the BART.

The  the cell-phone system shut down was a different indecent. And gives rise to some very serious issues.
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As Anonymous threatens BART, stakes rise in feud over cell service cutoff

Hackivist group Anonymous targets BART website, as retaliation for the Bay Area transit agency's cutoff of cellphone service to some passengers on Aug. 11. BART acted to stymie a protest at a subway station, which was being organized via social media.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2011/0814/As-Anonymous-threatens-BART-stakes-rise-in-feud-over-cell-service-cutoff

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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2011, 01:34:38 PM »
Whenever it comes to ANON or any other cyber terrorist bullies who think they are above the Law i have no problem with organisations protecting themselves however they see fit.
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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2011, 04:40:20 PM »
Whenever it comes to ANON or any other cyber terrorist bullies who think they are above the Law i have no problem with organisations protecting themselves however they see fit.
Well said.  :)

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Re: Computer 'gltich' stops BART
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2011, 05:07:21 PM »
They just shut down BART...

I have no use for these idjits.
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