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Whats your veiw on Cannabis
« on: September 02, 2007, 09:30:06 AM »
Whats your view on cannabis smoking?

I recently posted a topic regarding a man in Belfast Northern Ireland who was Tared and feathered for dealing; essentially making cannabis become available to the public.


http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,41631.msg260698/topicseen.html#msg260698

A comment was left saying good and i was wondering do you all feel this way, i understand in the U.S.A people believe drugs to be one of the worst thing anybody can do...

I mean for example in Last Vegas i believe you can get up to 20years for having a small amount even if you intend to use it for personal use and not; intent to supply.   

Take a read below i left it perhaps to sway your view on this subject to be a little more open minded and perhaps to get a good counter argument going.

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Taken from the above page

The Emperor Wears No Clothes
Chapter 6

The Body of Medical Literature on Cannabis Medicine

Our authority here is the 'Body of Literature,' starting with ancient materia medicae; Chinese and Hindu pharmacopoeia and Near Eastern cuneiform tablets, and continuing all the way into this century, including the 1966-76 U.S. renaissance of cannabis studies - some 10,000 separate studies on medicines and effects from the hemp plant. Comprehensive compendia of these works are designated as the prime sources for this medical chapter, as well as ongoing interviews with many researchers.

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For more than 3,500 years, cannabis/hemp/marijuana has been, depending on the culture or nation, either the most used or one of the most widely used plants for medicines. This includes: China, India, the Middle and Near East, Africa, and pre-Roman Catholic Europe (prior to 476 A.D.).

Dr. Raphael Mechoulam, NORML, High Times and Omni magazines (September 1982) all indicate that if marijuana were legal it would immediately replace 10-20% of all pharmaceutical prescription medicines (based on research through 1976). And probably, Mechoulam estimates, 40-50% of all medicines, including patent medicines, could contain some extract from the cannabis plant when fully researched.

(Read the U.S. government-sponsored research as outlined by Cohen & Stillman, Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana, 1976; Roffman, Roger, Marijuana as Medicine, 1980; Mikuriya, Tod, M.D., Marijuana Medical Papers, 1972; Also, the work of Dr. Norman Zinberg; Dr. Andrew Weil; Dr. Lester Grinspoon; and the U.S. Government's Presidential Commission reports [Shafer Commission] from 1972; Dr. Raphael Mechoulam, Tel Aviv/Jerusalem Univ. 1964-97; W.B. O'Shaunessy monograph, 1839; and the long term Jamaican studies I & II, 1968-74; Costa Rican studies through 1982; U.S. Coptic studies, 1981; Ungerlieder; U.S. military studies since the 1950s and '60s.)

Superstar of the 19th Century

Marijuana was America's number one analgesic for 60 years before the rediscovery of aspirin around 1900. From 1842 to 1900 cannabis made up half of all medicine sold, with virtually no fear of its high.

The 1839 report on the uses of cannabis by Dr. W.B. O'Shaugnessy, one of the most respected members of the Royal Academy of Sciences, was just as important to mid-19th Century Western medicine as the discoveries of antibiotics (like penicillin and Terramycin) were to mid-20th Century medicine.

In fact, the Committee on Cannabis Indica for the Ohio State Medical Society concluded that "High Biblical commentators [scholars]" believe "that the gall and vinegar, or myrrhed wine, offered to our Saviour immediately before his crucifixion was in all probability, a preparation of Indian hemp."

(Transcripts, Ohio State Medical Society 15th annual meeting June 12-14, 1860, pg. 75-100.)

From 1850 to 1937, the U.S. Pharmacopoeia listed cannabis as the primary medicine for more than 100 separate illnesses or diseases.

During all this time (pre-1000 B.C. to 1940s A.D., researchers, doctors and drug manufacturers (Eli Lilly, Parke-David, Squibb, etc.) had no idea what the active ingredients of cannabis were until Dr. Mechoulam discovered THC in 1964.

20th Century Research

As outlined in the previous chapters, the American Medical Association (AMA) and drug companies testified against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act because cannabis was known to have so much medical potential and had never caused any observable addictions or death by overdose.

The possibility existed, they argued, that once the active ingredients in cannabis (such as THC Delta-9) were isolated and correct dosages established, cannabis could become a miracle drug.

Twenty-nine years would pass, however, before American scientists could begin to even look into cannabis medicine again.

THC Delta-9 was isolated by Dr. Raphael Mechoulam at the University of Tel Aviv in 1964. His work confirmed that of Professor Taylor of Princeton, who had lead the research and identification of natural THC Delta-9 precursors in the 1930s. Kahn, Adams and Loewe also worked with the structure of cannabis' active ingredients in 1944.

Since 1964, more than 400 separate compounds have been isolated in cannabis from over a thousand suspected compounds. At least 60 of the isolated compounds are therapeutic. The United States, however, forbade this type of research through the bureaucratic authority of Harry Anslinger util 1962, when he was forced to retire. (Omni Magazine, Sept. 1982)

Growing Acceptance

By 1966, millions of young Americans had begun using marijuana. Concerned parents and government, wanting to know the dangers their children were risking, started funding dozens and later hundreds of marijuana health studies.

Entrenched in the older generation's minds were 30 years of Anslinger/Hearst scare stories of murder, atrocity, rape, and even zombie pacifism.

Federally sponsored research results began to ease Americans' fears of cannabis causing violence or zombie pacifism, and hundreds of new studies suggested that hidden inside the hemp plant's chemistry lay a medicinal array of incredible therapeutic potential. The government funded more and more studies.

Soon, legions of American researchers had positive indications using cannabis, anorexia, tumors and epilepsy, as well as for a general use antibiotic. Cumulative findings showed evidence of favorable results occurring in cases of Parkinson's disease, anorexia, multiple sclerosis and muscular dystrophy; plus thousands of anecdotal stories all merited further clinical study.

Prior to 1976, reports of positive effects and new therapeutic indications for cannabis were almost a weekly occurrence in medical journals and the national press.

National Conference Praised Cannabis Therapy Potential

In November 1975, virtually all of America's leading researchers on marijuana met at Asilomar Conference Center, Pacific Grove, California. Seminars were sponsored by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) to address a compendium of studies from their earliest to most recent findings.

When the seminars were over, practically all the scientists concluded that the federal government, with the hard evidence collected so far on the therapeutic potential of marijuana, should be rushing to invest tax money into more research.

They felt the taxpayers should be informed that there was every legitimate reason for the field of public health to continue large scale research on cannabis medicine and therapies. All the participants, it seems, believed this. Many of them (such as Mechoulam) believed that cannabis would be one of the world's major medicines by the mid-1980s. In March 1997, Mechoulam, in a speech at the Bio-Fach in Frankfort, Germany, still believed that cannabis is the world's best overall medicine.

Marijuana Research Banned

However, in 1976, just as multi-disciplined marijuana research should have been going into its second, third, and fourth generation studies (see Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana and NORML federal files), a "surprise" United States government policy again forbade all promising federal research into marijuana's therapeutic effects.

This time, the research ban was accomplished when American pharmaceutical companies successfully petitioned the federal government to be allowed to finance and judge 100% of the research.

The previous ten years of research had indicated a tremendous promise for the therapeutic uses of natural cannabis, and this potential was quietly turned over to corporate hands - not for the benefit of the public, but to suppress the medical information.

This plan, the drug manufacturers petitioned, would allow our private drug companies time to come up with patentable synthetics of the cannabis molecules at no cost to the federal government, and a promise of "no highs."

In 1976, the Ford Administration, NIDA and the DEA said in effect, no American independent (read: university) research or federal health program would be allowed to again investigate natural cannabis derivatives for medicine. This agreement was made without any safeguards guaranteeing integrity on the part of the pharmaceutical companies; they were allowed to regulate themselves.

Private pharmaceutical corporations were allowed to do some "no high" research, but it would be only Delta-9 THC research, not any of the 400 other potentially therapeutic isomers in cannabis.

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    Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
    « Reply #1 on: September 02, 2007, 09:40:03 AM »
    You like getting High , don't you ?   ;)

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    Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
    « Reply #2 on: September 02, 2007, 09:42:52 AM »
    The odd time, nothing better than having a smoke and having a laugh with a few mates....

    Where as allot of drunks, have few beers then smash the place up... Your unable to walk act sensible your sense of judgment goes out the window ! 

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    Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
    « Reply #3 on: September 02, 2007, 02:14:17 PM »
    Cannabis and cannibal seem to close to me.So,I guess it will eat your
    brain.

    I really have an opinion based solely on the law.It is illegal in
    the United States So,I think they should use my tax money and
    kill all the users and distributors of drugs,or make them legal.

    I am tired of seeing my tax money wasted on such a useless
    attempt to  enforce the law.

    Either stop drugs through brute force and killing,or make them legal.

    Quit wasting my tax money.I work my a$$ off for that money.

    If they made drugs legal in the United States most of the people on
    this forum would be breaking the law to use them anyway.

    You would need an ID and it would be for 21 years old ,or older.
    Sorry,The USA has ruined the language The United Kingdom loaned us. We do our best not to type gibberish. I Hope you can forgive us.

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      « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2007, 02:35:09 PM »
      It's a problem that throwing tax dollars at does not seem to work. Personally, I think weed should be legal and taxed accordingly. I honestly can't remember ever hearing about somone stoned driving and killing people like drunk drivers. Most have gotten tickets for driving too slow or with no lights on~
      Many people will tell you that pot is a gateway drug ?
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      Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
      « Reply #5 on: September 02, 2007, 03:49:16 PM »
      I have smoked pot for about 7 years now and don't feel the need to go out and start shooting up heroin or snorting cocaine.  I don't think Cannabis is a gateway drug, its just they can't come up with a good reason to make it illegal so lets just tell the kids that if they smoke weed they will end up knifing your granny for heroin money. 

      Drugs should be graded by the amount of damage it does to a society not some ancient text book written by some old guy with a beard.
      If you where to take a trip to your local A&E or ER (where ever your from) on a Saturday night, i bet you will be hard pressed to find one single stoner.  If you do, i bet it cause be stubbed his toe or something like that, but i also bet that the large majority of the poeple there will be drunk or have been drinking, causing car crashed, starting fights or just falling down.

             

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      « Reply #6 on: September 02, 2007, 09:03:08 PM »
      I have smoked pot for about 7 years now and don't feel the need to go out and start shooting up heroin or snorting cocaine.  I don't think Cannabis is a gateway drug, its just they can't come up with a good reason to make it illegal so lets just tell the kids that if they smoke weed they will end up knifing your granny for heroin money. 

      Drugs should be graded by the amount of damage it does to a society not some ancient text book written by some old guy with a beard.
      If you where to take a trip to your local A&E or ER (where ever your from) on a Saturday night, i bet you will be hard pressed to find one single stoner.  If you do, i bet it cause be stubbed his toe or something like that, but i also bet that the large majority of the poeple there will be drunk or have been drinking, causing car crashed, starting fights or just falling down.

             

      Again most teens start doing pot at a young age.If it was legalized
      it would be kept away from children and used only by adults.

      So, what would those under twenty-one smoke?I already know they
      would then break the law.
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      Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
      « Reply #7 on: September 03, 2007, 02:27:41 AM »
      Street1 it is quite worrying that you follow the law blindly, if it is wrote down and passed in what ever system you Americans use then it has to be followed?

      NinjaAlor I totally agree what’s the harm in a few smokes...... And as for eating your brain there are plenty of people who have smoked weed, quite a few American politicians have toked at young age and become high ranking members of the public, Mr. Bush is one that comes to mind... (But he's not a very good example) :P



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      Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
      « Reply #8 on: September 03, 2007, 10:49:18 AM »
      certainly melted his brain. :)

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      Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
      « Reply #9 on: September 03, 2007, 07:49:01 PM »
      I'm sure both of you have first hand knowledge of Bush smokin weed...
      And the tar and feather incident does in no way imply he was selling pot.

      This thread is getting close to reckless innuendo to say the least.
      " Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined. "

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      Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
      « Reply #10 on: September 03, 2007, 07:55:47 PM »
      Ok i my view on weed , in the 1960's it wasnt so bad , but no it is superbad , they add chemicals  to the plant to give you a mellow high , i know of a certain weed that is parnaoia free :D ive been around this stuff all my life , yes i have smoked it ....... its not smart though it will totally rot your brain most weed smokers are so hard to talk to , there convinced that smokeing weed is better for you than smokeing cigrettes i for one know that aint true . It is a class C drug here which means it isnt so bad .... the police here will just take it off you if its a small amount if you have a large amount they take you in for questioning and charge you with intent for supply ....... its not a major thing here at all....... well atleast i dont think it is , my next door neighbour smokes it outside his house every morning ....... its like tobbcoa over here lmao .......

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      Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
      « Reply #11 on: September 04, 2007, 02:42:23 AM »
      Richenstony- Where about do you live?

      Patio- That is why I opened a new thread, cause I can't relate hard drugs
      All so just because you see one post you dont like you cant call the whole topic a reckless innuendo.
      And i am pritty sure i read somwhere that Bush Toked - (ill just and find a link to some evidence)

      As President Bush likes to remind us, America was founded on the concepts of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.



      Except, his actions are this; the United States government will define what liberty is and local government will tell us the boundaries of our pursuits for happiness. Oh sure, some of you are sitting there calling me something derogatory and saying that my ideas of the insane rantings of a pot smoking degenerate. But then again, I’m betting that most of you agree with me.

      In the beginning, pot wasn’t made illegal because of the fact that it was some evil drug. Marijuana was made illegal in your country because of racism and greed.

      In the 1930’s, the Henry Ashlinger and the Federal Bureau of Narcotics worked to make marijuana illegal by focusing on the themes of racism and violence. This was done because of the influx of cheap immagrant labor and its impact on white jobs during the Depression. According the United States government, marijuana had to be illegal because of its affects on degenerate races. Here’s what Henry had to say about his fellow American citizens.

      Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men.”

      "Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"

      There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek *censored* relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

      The more current version of these comments includes not only minorities, but whites who are in lower socioeconomic brackets. Talk about social control through stigmatation.

      And my personal favorite goes to..

      ‘Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."

      All those who know this last comment is complete and utter *censored*, raise your hand. Despite what most people think—pot doesn’t make you violent. And it certainly doesn’t alter human nature, as media rhetoric would like us to believe. Pot smokers I know are far from violent. Oh sure, they might fight you for that last Twinkie—but that’s about it. But alas, it is just one more stereotype that honest hard working smokers everywhere have to live with.

      But wait! How is that pot smokers are both lazy and violent? I would think that being one contradicts being the other.

      Think about it if marijuana is totally made illegal—do you really think an unhappy workforce is going to be half as productive. I’m thinking NO. My point is we are told that as adults, we have the power to change the world, raise future generations, and build communities on the moon someday, but yet our government is telling us that we don't have the sense to make the right choices for ourself. Ain't that the damnest thing! Chrsit people, how many phases of social control do we have to give into until we get tired of all the *censored*. I think its high time that we stood up and introduced America to another role of nornality--not just the one that the conservative community has graciously defined for us.

      It is my opinion that nobody has been given the right to judge anybody else. America claims to be a Christian nation. With that said, I am reminded of a Matthew: 7:1-5. “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

      People are always scared of what they don’t know about. Come on people, educate yourselves. How much freedom do we have to lose before we fight back? What personal liberty do you have to loose before you get off your a*s and say that enough is enough.

      The point to all this is this: before all you anti-pot-anti-choice-anti-freedom people wag your finger and preach at me about how my pot smoking is deviant behavior —do your research. And before you go quoting some study, know that I have B.A. in Social Science and am well aware that research can be skewed to fit anybodies opinion. Example: medicating children is a good thing.

      Smoking Marijuana should be seen for what it really is: An informed adult decision. Notice that I said that it was an adult decision, anyone who is eighteen and over should have the privilege of making up their own minds. Hey, if eighteen year olds are fighting a war, than they ought to have the choice to smoke pot—or not. I say legalize, tax and monitor it like we do alcohol.

      Life is too short to be treated like a criminal. I’m sick of being told that pot smoking is criminal behavior. I’m sick of uneducated, not to mention, misinformed people telling me that I’m a bad person for being a pot smoker. Most of all, I’m tired of having to defend myself against invalid sterotypes that are pushed on the public by a both a biased goverment and a one sided media.

      Don’t you just hate it when pot smokers succeed at higher education.

      Until next time…smoke responsibly.

      Article by Holly M., Writer

       
       




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      Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
      « Reply #12 on: September 04, 2007, 05:15:31 AM »
      Ok i my view on weed , in the 1960's it wasnt so bad , but no it is superbad , they add   to the plant to give you a mellow high , i know of a certain weed that is parnaoia free :D ive been around this stuff all my life , yes i have smoked it ....... its not smart though it will totally rot your brain most weed smokers are so hard to talk to , there convinced that smokeing weed is better for you than smokeing cigrettes i for one know that aint true . It is a class C drug here which means it isnt so bad .... the police here will just take it off you if its a small amount if you have a large amount they take you in for questioning and charge you with intent for supply ....... its not a major thing here at all....... well atleast i dont think it is , my next door neighbour smokes it outside his house every morning ....... its like tobbcoa over here lmao .......


      chemicals to resin not grass.... by the way

      Periodically, you'll hear someone claim that pot kills brain cells. Besides the fact that that's a vague, un-scientific claim, it's dumb. Here's why. The only research scientist who ever claimed that pot damages brain structures was a guy named Dr. Gabriel Nahas, who used to work for the National Institutes of Health in the 70's. He did a study on rhesus monkeys with marijuana, and his results seemed to indicate that pot caused brain damage, so the drug warriors like to include that little tidbit in their speeches, pamphlets, and so forth.

      The problem is that it isn't true. Dr. Nahas' research was astoundingly bad. After he published his study, dozens of scientists came forward to question his methods. He made pretty much every mistake someone can make - if this were a science project, he would have flunked. A few examples:

      * the size of the research group was small - only 4 monkeys.
      * there was no control group.
      * the amount of pot smoke the monkeys ingested was several thousand times higher than anything a human could smoke - these poor monkeys basically spent 16 hours a day in a room full of pot smoke.
      * Nahas misidentified normal monkey brain structures as "damaged."
      * in his bibliography, he cited 31 sources. Of those 31, 4 were legitimate.
      The rest were either quoted out of context in a misleading way, misquoted, or plain-old made up.
      * He lied about his results. The "brain damage" that he observed in the monkeys brains disappeared as soon as the monkeys stopped receiving marijuana, and he chose to not mention it in his report.

      So basically, this was like the world-class worst scientific study ever. It was so bad, he got *censored*-canned by the NIH, and he made a public speech disavowing the research, and admitting he messed it up.

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      Re: Whats your veiw on Cannabis
      « Reply #13 on: September 04, 2007, 08:47:55 AM »
      Tell you what . . . let's not discuss drugs here.
      It's a touchy subject at the best of times.
      Topic locked.