How many people use Dos Batch?

[billrich]

How many people use Dos Batch?

.1 of 1% of  all computer  users ever use Dos Batch? 

Or is it less than .1 of 1 percent?

[Hedonist]

That's like asking how many people use Dos.   Judging by the number of active Dos dedicated forums Dos in its many forms seems to be still alive & kicking. 

This excludes the Command Interpreter in Windows NT which isn't really Dos but a Windows program which looks, and in some ways acts, like Dos and which many users refer to as Dos.

To get a better response you could start a poll on the subject of Dos batch scripting.

[billrich]

Hed,

I use Windows XP  and I guess the Dos lookalike  that keeps expanding the for loop code  and other code.

It is easy to get caught up in the DOS Batch coding but it is really a waste of time since so few people understand or use Batch.  We can use our time better in other ways and let other people get lost in their own little world of "DOS Batch."

I will allow you to conduct the poll.

[BC_Programmer]

We can use or time better in other ways

Such as?

(I mean Computer time too, so no answers like "going outside") 

[Hedonist]

How many people use Dos Batch?

I use Windows XP  and I guess the Dos lookalike  that keeps expanding the for loop code  and other code.

Now why did I imagine you'd be talking pure unadulterated Dos

.1 of 1% of  all computer  users ever use Dos Batch?

Or is it less than .1 of 1 percent?

Please substantiate the figures you quote and perhaps give a comparison with how many computer users ever use C++.   I would think that the vaaaast majority of computer users never ever use any programming/scripting language and are quite happy to just use an e-mail system with a bit of web surfing thrown in.

It is easy to get caught up in the DOS Batch coding but it is really a waste of time since so few people understand or use Batch.

That's possibly why a truly reputable site such as Computer Hope has a forum dedicated to "MS-Dos and the Windows command prompt discussions and help".   So try introducing a greenhorn to C++ or Assembler

I will allow you to conduct the poll.

How very kind of you, thanks but no-thanks

[billrich]

Bill wrote:

We can use our time better in other ways.

Bc asked:

"Such as?"

Bill explains:

1) Learn HTML code and create a web site:  ( 100% of all users use web sites unlike the 1/10 of one  percent who use "Dos Batch Code."
2) Take refesher courses in "C" and "C++"
3) Help the new computer users with their problems. ( If we could only avoid silly input from others who try to help by saying: "The brightness control on your monitor is bad.  Throw you monitor away and buy a new monitor.")
4) Learn more about online video. ( More than 50% of all users are interested in video unlike the 1/10 of one percent who use "Dos Batch Code."
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[macdad-]

Alot of people use Batch, its built-in to Windows without any extra software.

Which means easy Game making(simple games), Simple often Tasks(like clean cookies from your Temp)

[Wefro_froyas]

Its fun to mess around with

[BC_Programmer]

Bill wrote:

We can use our time better in other ways.

Bc asked:

"Such as?"

Bill explains:

1) Learn HTML code and create a web site:  ( 100% of all users use web sites unlike the 1/10 of one  percent who use "Dos Batch Code."
2) Take refesher courses in "C" and "C++"
3) Help the new computer users with their problems. ( If we could only avoid silly input from others who try to help by saying: "The brightness control on your monitor is bad.  Throw you monitor away and buy a new monitor.")
4) Learn more about online video. ( More than 50% of all users are interested in video unlike the 1/10 of one percent who use "Dos Batch Code."
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All very good alternatives!


The way I see it, for some users who don't even realize it, Batch programming will become a stepping stone to other, more robust programming environments.

Another, more important thing is to keep in mind there are a lot of niches for programming; there are still projects being developed for the original Nintendo, in 6502 Assembler; and in fact some clever folks have devised a version of BASIC that compiles into a NES ROM.

Now obviously a very slim number of people even know about this- even less take part in it. Those that do enjoy it, and like to learn about the architecture of the NES.

I'm somewhat on the fringe of the NES dev community myself- only really learning enough to write a emulator that successfully runs a few select non-mapper games, such as balloon fight and Mario Bros. (not Super Mario Bros., mind you).

Honestly however I think you are missing the entire point- Batch code has a purpose. Perform tasks on the command-line, and it can do that very well. web sites- PHP, ASP, CGI, and so forth have completely different use cases from command-line batch programming, and more importantly, batch programs can comprise CGI programs.

More than 50% of all users are interested in video

There is that word again- interested, as  if we're trying to establish a target audience for a product. The problem is- we're not. How a person decides to use their time and what they like to do in their spare time should not be bore by the number of other people taking part.


Also, Like Hedonist, I am curious where your statistics come from.

[Zylstra]

Of course, I didnt read all of the topic, but, I have to say one thing:

Batch is not a programming language.
Now, get out your "old-skool" chalkboard, and write this 100 more times... and, using the ledger line writer is cheating.


People use Batch all the time, usually without noticing or knowing, or being able to know it due to lack of knowledge as to what is going on.
Many program installations use Batch, its the perfect dynamic script, your in the middle of a sub program that was started in batch, and you need to add something to an installation step? No problem! Append the file, add more, it reads it from the top down.


EDIT:
Also, larger networks connected to a domain also use batch... usually to start up programs when a user logs in, or update something, start another program, or even to start an entirely different script.
A lot of system administrators use Batch to have network drives automatically mapped to a network share.

[BC_Programmer]

Of course, I didnt read all of the topic, but, I have to say one thing:

Batch is not a programming language.
Now, get out your "old-skool" chalkboard, and write this 100 more times... and, using the ledger line writer is cheating.

Before this turns into it I'll just reference the already done discussion about this:

http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php?topic=76425.0;all

to summarize my view I wouldn't really consider Pure DOS batch a programming language- but the NT command interpreter adds control flow  and execution contexts so it would be a bit difficult to say it isn't a programming language, even if it has blacker fur then the rest of them.

[billrich]

Bc and Hed,

The numbers I used in post number one were not stated as facts but as questions?  The questions posed were to suggest an all consuming preoccupation with "Dos Batch" was with a small  insignificant number of people. 

Post #1 was:

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How many people use Dos Batch?

.1 of 1% of  all computer  users ever use Dos Batch? 

Or is it less than .1 of 1 percent?

[ghostdog74]

Batch programming will become a stepping stone to other, more robust programming environments.

in what ways is batch programming a stepping stone to more robust programming environments? maybe you can give examples.

[JJ 3000]

I like computers

[Zylstra]

More than 1% of users will use Batch.

Lets see... Windows holds, what, 90% of the market share?

All Mac users have, at one point, used Windows.

Technically, 99% of all computer users have used it.  While knowing it? Thats impossible to know.

Really, there is no way to calculate this. If this is homework or a question someone asked you that needs this specific answer, stick it in their face.