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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2011, 08:25:45 AM »
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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2011, 08:42:53 AM »
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quote willlyw
How is this relevant? 
Why do you care?   How is it any of your business?

why be nasty willyw

Don't read that which is not there.
Those are legitimate questions, brought on by YOUR statement. 

With the reply you gave, the implication is that you have nothing of substance behind your first statement.


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i think the only people who should have guns are the police , sports people and farmers and they should by licensed , anyone else caught with one should face jail

You can think what you like, of course.

I think those things are really dumb.


With that kind of thinking, you're headed for tyranny.   Why heck... let's just keep applying that kind of thought:
Anyone "caught" with a knife should face jail ( unless of course, it is someone on the list that is already approved by someone that is all powerful and can approve such lists)
Next,  let's get them for baseball bats.
How about hatchets and axes?

Oh!   don't forget frying pans... you can really ding somebody with one of those.


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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2011, 09:11:53 AM »
what a waste of time

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2011, 09:24:43 AM »
what a waste of time

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Exactly!   Gun control laws ARE a waste of time.

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2011, 09:52:14 AM »
Exactly!   Gun control laws ARE a waste of time.

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2011, 09:54:37 AM »
Just one more.
School shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
Many parents do care.  There is so much hate and violence that some students really don't want to go to school. But not because they dislike school, but the want to stay alive. It is getting worse in some areas.

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2011, 10:00:50 AM »
Just one more.
School shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
Many parents do care.  There is so much hate and violence that some students really don't want to go to school. But not because they dislike school, but the want to stay alive. It is getting worse in some areas.

this is what my question was about and as you say it is getting worse , so why is there not more people/parents doing more to try and do something about the guns and shootings

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2011, 10:04:09 AM »
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i think the only people who should have guns are the police , sports people and farmers and they should by licensed , anyone else caught with one should face jail

Yes, then you can be just like Canada, where while there are far fewer shootings by members of the public the Police make sure to give theirs plenty of exercise by shooting "suspicious" 14 year olds in the head and tasering immigrants to death because they can't understand what they are saying. Yep, gun control sure solved problems here.

That was sarcastic. It hasn't solved flip all. Why?

Look at drugs. Many of them are illegal to posess, cocaine, Heroin, etc. For marijuana you can get medicinal exemptions (or something). However, do you think that the people creating grow ops in many basements are secretive because they have a license? I doubt it. There are very few growers who actually get a license and are doing it legally.

By the same token, while you can create any number of laws declaring gun ownership illegal and make people have licenses and fill out forms and all that crap, It's not going to stop people from skipping that entirely, it just creates more of a pain in the *censored* for the law-abiding citizens who do go through the process.

Take the attempt they made at prohibition. How well did that work? Not at all.

Basically, the only way to truly have "Gun control laws" is if you have can actually enforce those laws, but you can't just go busting into random peoples houses and performing searches.

My point is, it's not the guns that need to be controlled it's the people using them. If somebody has violent tendencies, they'll find something to express their violence with, wether it's a gun or a knife is redundant. Go to the beach. Find a large stone. Congratulations, you can murder somebody with that.

People have been killing each other with all sorts of different things for thousands upon thousands of years, to think you can write a few words on paper and suddenly the entire place becomes a magical happy utopia with rainbows and unicorns and rose-smelled farts from pleasantly voiced goats is a whimsical fiction drawn up by those liveless activists who have stopped caring about the consequences and are more entranced by getting there, much like those video game violence activists. It seems that every time there is an incident like this, some idiot decides that "something needs to be done". Yes, something does needs to be done. The person responsible needs to be given more then a slap on the wrist and sent to bed without supper. But some activists, bleary eyed and eager for senseless arguments, decide that the problem lies elsewhere, without realizing that even if their crusade was 100% successful, it wouldn't really change much. People would still get guns, it would just be a bigger pain in the *censored* for people to do it by the book. Somehow I doubt gangs and murderers and people planning to kill somebody go through all the paperwork, particularly because the paperwork will make the job of covering their tracks a *censored* of a lot more difficult.


I'm surprised that somehow they haven't worked in new driver's license restrictions, I mean, after all, most armed robberies not only use guns but also a getaway vehicle, so clearly if they just add a "I will not drive those who have committed a crime away from the scene of said crime at high speed" and they've prevented every single bank robbery from ever occuring in the future. It doesn't work like that. Laws are not something that are never broken by anybody, except under the threat of being broken in return, but that sounds a *censored* of a lot more like north Korea then anywhere else, and additionally extending some half-logic that "well, it worked in the  UK" is utter nonsense because while it may have worked in the UK (from experience is hardly something that can be called quality evidence) it sure as *censored* has NOT HELPED in Canada. There are still has many shootings but the vast majority of them are by police, one of the members whom you seem to think should have this inalienable ability to have a gun, for what reason I cannot conceive- and extending that logic further to the US is utter nonsense, particular since those pushing for it are often on the entire other side of an ocean and have absolutely no idea. I mean no offense to Americans by I doubt I'd want to walk through the streets of a large American city without some sort of weapon (*censored*, sometimes I feel that way in Victoria, of course since even posessing a weapon of pretty much any sort is illegal.
The thing is, those who want a gun for protection aren't saying they would shoot somebody; if you are mugged in the street with a gun, and it turns out you have one as well, the mugger will generally run off. Nobody is hurt, except for the mugger's ego, I suppose, but I see no reason we should try to protect that. Basically, it's much akin to the whole "Iron curtain" thing- Mutually Assured Injury, though, rather then destruction.
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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2011, 10:55:52 AM »
Yes, then you can be just like Canada, where while there are far fewer shootings by members of the public the Police make sure to give theirs plenty of exercise by shooting "suspicious" 14 year olds in the head and tasering immigrants to death because they can't understand what they are saying. Yep, gun control sure solved problems here.

That was sarcastic. It hasn't solved flip all. Why?

Look at drugs. Many of them are illegal to posess, cocaine, Heroin, etc. For marijuana you can get medicinal exemptions (or something). However, do you think that the people creating grow ops in many basements are secretive because they have a license? I doubt it. There are very few growers who actually get a license and are doing it legally.

By the same token, while you can create any number of laws declaring gun ownership illegal and make people have licenses and fill out forms and all that crap, It's not going to stop people from skipping that entirely, it just creates more of a pain in the *censored* for the law-abiding citizens who do go through the process.

Take the attempt they made at prohibition. How well did that work? Not at all.

Basically, the only way to truly have "Gun control laws" is if you have can actually enforce those laws, but you can't just go busting into random peoples houses and performing searches.

My point is, it's not the guns that need to be controlled it's the people using them. If somebody has violent tendencies, they'll find something to express their violence with, wether it's a gun or a knife is redundant. Go to the beach. Find a large stone. Congratulations, you can murder somebody with that.

People have been killing each other with all sorts of different things for thousands upon thousands of years, to think you can write a few words on paper and suddenly the entire place becomes a magical happy utopia with rainbows and unicorns and rose-smelled farts from pleasantly voiced goats is a whimsical fiction drawn up by those liveless activists who have stopped caring about the consequences and are more entranced by getting there, much like those video game violence activists. It seems that every time there is an incident like this, some idiot decides that "something needs to be done". Yes, something does needs to be done. The person responsible needs to be given more then a slap on the wrist and sent to bed without supper. But some activists, bleary eyed and eager for senseless arguments, decide that the problem lies elsewhere, without realizing that even if their crusade was 100% successful, it wouldn't really change much. People would still get guns, it would just be a bigger pain in the *censored* for people to do it by the book. Somehow I doubt gangs and murderers and people planning to kill somebody go through all the paperwork, particularly because the paperwork will make the job of covering their tracks a *censored* of a lot more difficult.



i agree with this part of your statement , but why not change the law and give it a go it may help save lives

in britain twice in 10 years they have a gun and knife amnesty and it always brings in 1000s of weapons although the numbers went down the last time must be because people do not carry as much

some of the weapons ranged from a pocket knife to a machete a small hand gun to a ak47 type

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2011, 11:02:47 AM »
i agree with this part of your statement , but why not change the law and give it a go it may help save lives
And my entire point was basically that no line of reasoning could possibly be applied where it saves lives.

On the other hand, why the *censored* are you constantly starting political topics? Why do you seem surprised every time to find that not everybody agrees with you?
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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2011, 11:34:58 AM »
And my entire point was basically that no line of reasoning could possibly be applied where it saves lives.

On the other hand, why the *censored* are you constantly starting political topics? Why do you seem surprised every time to find that not everybody agrees with you?

it was not put down or meant to be a political topic , i asked why do they not start gun control when there are so many shootings

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2011, 11:40:26 AM »
Harry,

Every legally purchased gun in the U.S. is registered. So what more do you want put in place?

I own guns, I will always own guns, and I will continue to buy guns. Like previously has been said good honest people aren't the problem and are the only ones that would be hurt if guns were taken away.

There are various places like Detroit that has gun drives every year that lets people turn in guns to the police with no questions asked and they don't even take your name. Has this lowered the crime rate in Detroit? No all it has done is allow some criminals a chance to turn in a gun that they probably previously used in a crime and should be in an evidence locker but what do you think they police do with these guns? They destroy them. So there goes any chance of connecting the gun that killed somebody to the person that did the killing.
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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2011, 11:49:57 AM »
ok thank you mroilfield

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2011, 01:40:25 PM »
Like many Americans, you seem to think that "England" is the same as Britain.

lol, i'm not an American.  Not that it makes a difference.

There will always be people out there, that do not grasp human nature, and feel that government can fix everything.

In agree, no amount of laws will stop idiots spoiling it for everyone else.
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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2011, 01:49:52 PM »
lol, i'm not an American.  Not that it makes a difference.

I wrote like many Americans. That does not mean I thought that you personally are one. Many other nationalities do it (call the UK "England").