WORLDS RECESSION POLL

[harry 48]

HOPE YOU LIKE MY FIRST POLL

[BC_Programmer]

there is no recession.

[Broni]

One choice is missing: patio (and his darn golf)

[Geek-9pm]

there is no recession.

Very true.
 It is a depression, not a recession

[Computer Hope Admin]

Don't think there is a single reason for our (U.S.) and the world current state. Sure it's a combination of a lot of things. But if I had to just vote for one thing or sum it into one thing it'd be: Greed.

[street1 (RIP)]

Good poll hope patio likes it.


The recession is because of my pet bird.

[Calum]

I don't believe in the recession/depression.

[BC_Programmer]

I'm trying to understand how it's a recession/depression, and yet ALL of the local businesses in my area are making record profits? Isn't that a prosperous period?

As with anything I don't trust a word the media tries to shove down my throat until they present hard evidence of it. Saying "due to the economic downturn" and "the recession" over and over again on the news and so forth is enough to make some people believe it to be true, but not me.

[patio]

F.) None of the Above.

[Geek-9pm]

I don't believe in the recession/depression.

Belief is not required and shall not alter the outcome.

[BC_Programmer]

apparently believing is seeing it on TV, though.

[Calum]

I don't believe in the recession/depression.

Belief is not required and shall not alter the outcome.

We'll see.

[BC_Programmer]

I don't believe in the recession/depression.

Belief is not required and shall not alter the outcome.

Actually, yes it will... the more people that believe it, the more people who will act as if it  was true, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Geek-9pm]

Seven years later  four sickly naked men are sitting in a old rubbish heap.

Calum: WOW! Don't blame me for this, I never believed  it.
Geek-9pm: Nobody is blaming anybody.
BC_Programmer:  If more peopl had not believed it, we would not be here.
Geek-9pm: Hey, Patio, what to you have to say?
Patio: I am not here. 

[BC_Programmer]

I thought we were talking about the recession, not your homo-*censored* fantasies. 

[Geek-9pm]

Sorry, I will struck out edit the part about being sickly?

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sickly naked men are sitting in a old rubbish heap.

[harry 48]

there is no recession.

I don't believe in the recession/depression.

 some people believe it to be true, but not me.

F.) None of the Above.

heads in the sand or what just like a big dumb bird

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[alexK]

Hey Harry,

You are sure your "First" Poll is not biased, like the way it would be conducted in the Third World?
How about fixing the choices to:

-All of them
-One or more of them
-None of them

and start over.

Regards.
 

[BC_Programmer]

heads in the sand or what just like a big dumb bird

google gives us a definition for the term depression:

a long-term economic state characterized by unemployment and low prices and low levels of trade and investment

the state of the economy declines; a widespread decline in the GDP and employment and trade lasting from six months to a year

I don't believe either of these definitions are met. prices are no lower, and unemployment has barely increased... that doesn't stop the papers from blathering about how (in Canada) the national unemployment rate has "soared" to 7.2%. Of course you don't see any articles titled, "92.8% of canadians still working". even in properous times- you don't see headlines like "EVERYTHING IS FINE" Its  all negative. because negative sells.


Even IF there was going to be a recession, my job security is too high to measure and so is my rate of pay, meaning a drop in prices would really be good for me since I'd have more buying power.

[Geek-9pm]

... a drop in prices would really be good
for me since I'd have more buying power.

SO then, you admit to starting this ugly rumor! 

[BC_Programmer]

... a drop in prices would really be good
for me since I'd have more buying power.

SO then, you admit to starting this ugly rumor! 

 


Actually, come to think of it, the economy even in times of prosperity has always followed a psuedo sine-wave of ups and downs... with extended highs during wartime... which may be one of the reasons the US has been so war-happy lately.

[macdad-]

this d** depression got my dad laid off from his job! 

i say blame the banks for the stupid bonuses there giving out and all this loans that are given out, the idiots in these companies(the bank companies) are giving out these bonuses like they arent going to hurt anyone and there not like the rest of us on the street, getting affected hard by their foolish decisions.

[BC_Programmer]

nobody seems to mention the silent raise all the US politicians give themselves each year.

[macdad-]

from what Obama said, the Democrats and Repubs have agreed on the stimulus package that will come out.

[BC_Programmer]

yes... but every year they get a salary increase that get's mentioned nowhere, since it's in their contracts.

same here in Canada, except this year they actually declined their own raise which I think was pretty cool.

[patio]

from what Obama said, the Democrats and Repubs have agreed on the stimulus package that will come out.

False.....No Repubs as you call them voted for it...
There was also a promise from the new Administration to publish the bill in full on the web for 3 days so it could be scrutinised....promise broken 12 hours later as the bill got passed.
You still trust these people ? ?

[Geek-9pm]

You still trust these people ?

They could be trusted to sell refrigerators to Eskimos.

...but they would keep the money.   

[Calum]

Seven years later  four sickly naked men are sitting in a old rubbish heap.

Calum: WOW! Don't blame me for this, I never believed  it.
Geek-9pm: Nobody is blaming anybody.
BC_Programmer:  If more peopl had not believed it, we would not be here.
Geek-9pm: Hey, Patio, what to you have to say?
Patio: I am not here. 

If in seven years I am sitting in a rubbish heap with you, I'll believe in anything, including the recession and global warming.  I will also eat the entire heap of rubbish.
If on the other hand I'm not, please respect my freedom of choice to believe in exactly what I like, including the tooth fairy.

I'll believe in economic hard times caused by the media hunting for something negative to report, and then creating a HUGE GLOBAL DEPRESSION O NOES!!! as I have been affected by it personally.  My dad was laid off from work, and the government's benefit system is entirely whacked.  I'm not complaining as there are millions worse off than me all over the world.
However this talk of a global depression/recession/economic crisis is overhyped rubbish, caused purely by the media looking for headlines.  Look at the facts, and tell me I'm wrong ... I'll believe it if you have any evidence.

[kpac]

I don't believe either of these definitions are met. prices are no lower, and unemployment has barely increased...

Where have you been?

Unemployment rates are almost 10% here in Ireland. That's a lot when you have a country of just over 4.5 million people.

[street1 (RIP)]

I wonder if any one of the people who voted on this stimulus package
in the US has of yet even read it.

I am glad this is a Democrat bill.

[patio]

At 1500 + pages i doubt there is anyone who actually read it...

[macdad-]

pretty much this is the reason why i ignore anything with politics....

[BC_Programmer]

I don't believe either of these definitions are met. prices are no lower, and unemployment has barely increased...

Where have you been?

Unemployment rates are almost 10% here in Ireland. That's a lot when you have a country of just over 4.5 million people.

Of which 90% are still employed.


I think it's just following the standard pattern of recession and prosperity. Of course- if there were an agricultural disaster during this "recession"- as with the 1930's and the drought that combined with the already recessed economy sent a large portion of the world into a depression lasting until World War 2.

The fact of the matter is the way the facts are being presented by the media is giving it all a negative spin. For example, in 1933, 30% of Canada's labour force, 20% of the UK's insured workforce, were out of work- 14% of the U.S workforce was out of work as well. much larger numbers then Canada's current 8% unemployment (which "soared" from 7.9% last year)- with other countries likely hovering around 10%. The thing is- at least here, the newspapers have articles (not front page news, thank goodness) "National Unemployment rate soars to 8%" and yet, looking back I found that last years unemployment rate was 7.9%. I suppose the headline, "92% of Canadians still working" just didn't have the right doomsaying tone to it.

An interesting point of note is that the Soviet Union actually experienced a period of prosperity during the great depression, which kind of precludes it from being "world-wide" I suppose.


EDIT: not arguing with you kpac, 10% isn't good, but it sure as heck isn't a depression (just the naturally flow of recession and prosperity that I've been going on about).

[Google]

Don't think there is a single reason for our (U.S.) and the world current state. Sure it's a combination of a lot of things. But if I had to just vote for one thing or sum it into one thing it'd be: Greed.

I agree, put that option in the poll too.

[macdad-]

Don't think there is a single reason for our (U.S.) and the world current state. Sure it's a combination of a lot of things. But if I had to just vote for one thing or sum it into one thing it'd be: Greed.

I agree, put that option in the poll too.

dito

[Geek-9pm]

sum it into one thing it'd be: Greed.

Yes, one thing.

And Geed can be many things.
* Greed (film), a 1924 film
* Greed (album), an album by the Swans
* Greed (game show), a short-lived game show
* Greed (dice game), a dice game
* Greed (song), a song by rock band Godsmack
* Greed, a character in Fullmetal Alchemist
* Greed, a character in Jack, one of the Seven Sins

The wold has lots of Greed.   
It is said to be a necessary thing.
Is it possible to survive without Geed?

[kpac]

Geek, I think you left out a few "r"s there....

[Broni]

Typical case of rhotacism

[Geek-9pm]

Typical case of rhotacism Grin

Yes, I suffe fom chonic hotacism     
- eh, ah -
I mean , suffer from ch chronic rhotacism

[street1 (RIP)]

If welfare slackers were added in to the present unemployment figures
this would be much scarier.

In the 30's welfare and all the other entitlements were not so available.

[Geek-9pm]

If welfare slackers were added in to the present unemployment figures
this would be much scarier.

Good point!

[mroilfield]

One thing people try to point out to prove the economy is bad is that supposedly the housing market and construction industry is going down. Yet where I live I can see 15 new houses being built within 3 miles of my house and 3 houses previously for sale in my neighborhood were just purchased. There is all kind of new construction not just houses. I have a few friends that are in various parts of the construction industry and they have so much work that they are having to turn down jobs.

So just because housing/construction is dropping in one part of the country doesn't mean that it is dropping else where.

You can't really blame banks for giving out too many loans because no one made all of these people run out and borrow a couple hundred grand to buy a new house when they only make around $40k a year or go buy a new vehicle that is equal to or greater then their yearly salary. Or get a bunch of credit cards and run the bill up so high they have no hope of paying it off in the next 30 years.

So saying that if there is actually a recession/depression then you can pretty much blame every one from the consumers to the CEO's.

I am only 31 years old and make over $130k a year. I also paid in over $32K in federal taxes last year yet this new stimulus bill is going to take my $32k I paid in and give it to people that don't even have to pay taxes. Now tell me why should I have to pay for these people to sit at home on their butts all day. With the way the U.S. is set up if I was to loose my job tomorrow and not be able to get one I would have to wait 5 years before getting and government assistance because they say that I made enough in the past that I should have saved more to make it thru hard times even though I have paid more in taxes then most people I now make in a year.

If we want to fix our economy we need to start looking thing like welfare and any other free hand out programs. If you are on welfare in my opinion you would have 3 months to find a steady job and after that if you want to continue to get a check from the government you would have to start working for them. If you don't want to work then you don't get a check. There are always roads that need fixed or other municipal services that need taken care off. If the government is going to give you the money any way they should at least get something out of it in the process. That would put my $32k a year in taxes to good use that would benefit every one just like taxes are supposed to do.

Sorry for the rant there but I work my *censored* off and am away from my family for half the year so it upsets me when I think of all the people out there that just want to stick their hands out and say give me my check.

[BC_Programmer]

If we want to fix our economy we need to start looking thing like welfare and any other free hand out programs. If you are on welfare in my opinion you would have 3 months to find a steady job and after that if you want to continue to get a check from the government you would have to start working for them. If you don't want to work then you don't get a check. There are always roads that need fixed or other municipal services that need taken care off. If the government is going to give you the money any way they should at least get something out of it in the process. That would put my $32k a year in taxes to good use that would benefit every one just like taxes are supposed to do.

Sorry for the rant there but I work my *censored* off and am away from my family for half the year so it upsets me when I think of all the people out there that just want to stick their hands out and say give me my check.

I know what you mean, and interestingly the way you describe is similar to the way Welfare (social assistance) works in Canada. I'm not sure of the numbers, but if they deem you fit to work (examples to the contrary obviously include those with mental/physical disabilities), then they give you a set amount of time. After that, they cut you off, Unless there is a good reason that it would take more then three months to find a job.

Social Assistance works to benefit those that work, often two or three jobs, but are still unable to meet their expenses. this paired with the Child Tax benefit available in most provinces generally keeps low-income families from falling below the poverty line, keeping them working (social assistance is also cut off if their job is terminated)

Of course, we also have Employment insurance that everybody pays into, and can draw from for a set period after being laid off (that is, not fired or quit), so I think most of these policies will help to soften any blow Canada receives from this "depression" of which I have seen nothing but headlines.

[macdad-]

these "free-bees" and other economic gimmicks arent the escape plan that they say they are(all of them have to be paid by some one, and its usually the working class of society.)

the economy is ruining this country(US) and tearing the middle class apart, which is the countries' strength.